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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8093126" data-attributes="member: 5142">I will not place a value judgment about whether or not Paizo misread the market as this comes with a lot of built-in assumptions. From an anecdotal perspective, Der Schwarze Auge is big in Germany and Austria, and it's definitely crunchier than 5e. In my five years here, I have played with a number of groups here who flat out prefer PF1 to 5e.While I agree that the market is not as receptive to games of 3E/4E levels as it once was, I'm not sure if I would say that this was something mostly 5e related. This move towards more streamlined, simplified systems was already well underway by that point, as seen in my discussion on d2010 games on another thread. The OSR and Indie gaming scene were already pushing this. Mearls, for example, has cited Dungeon World (2012) as an important work leading up to 5e. And DW is FAR SIMPLER and EASIER for newcomers to the hobby than D&D IME.Keep in mind that SotDL is not written as a game meant to be "how I would fix D&D," but more as a game where Schwalb features some of his own mechanical preferences (e.g., bane/boon) and as a love letter for Warhammer fantasy. You may like how it approaches modular classes. Considering your play experiences and insights with WFRPG, PF2, and 5e D&D, I would be interested in hearing any first impressions or play experiences with SotDL as well. But Schwalb is presently working on a less dark and body horror version of SotDL meant to be a love letter to Greyhawk and more D&D-style fantasy: i.e., Shadow of the Weird Wizard.</blockquote>

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