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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4023737" data-attributes="member: 9789">akbearfoot:  Well...  duh.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I wasn't looking for critiques of the situation - which was, in fact, hypothetical - but rather the tactic itself.  I think this thread has shown that it seems to be a pretty solid tactic.If you are intent on picking apart the example, however, I was actually not even thinking about a cleric silencing a wizard.  I just used the example of a cleric casting the spell because its on a cleric's spell list and it's easy to think about.  I was specifically thinking of a whisper gnome rogue attacking a cleric.  This tells you that:- the rogue will likely get close to the cleric without his notice (or at least, easily)- he will likely go before the cleric in intiative order- the rogue will likely have a greater movement than the cleric, since clerics often wear heavy armor and the whisper gnome has a 30' movement and often wears light armor- due to the high movement discrepency and the rogue's skill list, he may even be able to tumble along with the cleric even around enemies- neither of them are likely to be flying, spider climbing, etc.- it is entirely probable that the cleric would have no idea that the whisper gnome could silence him - it would be a Knowledge(Local) check on the part of the cleric (for information on a humanoid), and that's not on their class listSo in my actual example, it seems highly likely that the cleric - who is a front-line fighter - would easily be close to the rogue and not see the tactic coming.  It's also likely that a cleric would NOT move very far away to cast a spell, since he's either going to be healing or casting offensively and wouldn't want to lose position (also see:  front line fighter).  It's also likely the cleric couldn't get away from the rogue easily enough to shut down the tactic (other than running, as suggested above), especially since clerics don't usually have access to good movement spells such as fly or dimension door.  And lastly, silencing a rogue can only help him, while silencing a cleric can only be bad for the cleric.However:  all of this is hard to explain and honestly completely immaterial to the discussion of the tactic.  Not to mention it's pretty distracting from the overall point of the thread, especially if people wish to pick apart the example.  So I didn't mention it.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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