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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 5861959" data-attributes="member: 78958"><p>Meteor Swarm shouldn't really be your point of comparison. Even creatures who have it as a spell-like (like Balors) usually have better things to use their precious standard actions on. MS is an incredibly useless spell at the level you get it, and can't hold a candle to what else is possible with a 9th level slot. Don't compare to Meteor Swarm, compare to spells one might actually use in a 9th level slot. Dandu listed the important ones. I'll even add Shades (for specialist Wizards), Foresight, Disjunction, and Wail of the Banshee, all of which might justify their place in a spellbook (or even on a Sorcerer's spells known list).</p><p></p><p>That said, irresistible damage to a single creature might be a useful thing to do with a high-level spell - some situations just call for whoever is next in initiative to do a bunch of damage. Some 90 points of damage (undead: 130), single target, don't sound unbalancing to me.</p><p></p><p>This is still a niche spell, not a "must memorize every day" spell. When you're fighting a Lich or Vampire, you might consider it. But you might also consider Shapechanging into a Planetar and just wrecking them yourself, or Gateing in a Solar to do the job for you, or Disjoining all their magic to make a takedown EZ, or whatever.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 5861959, member: 78958"] Meteor Swarm shouldn't really be your point of comparison. Even creatures who have it as a spell-like (like Balors) usually have better things to use their precious standard actions on. MS is an incredibly useless spell at the level you get it, and can't hold a candle to what else is possible with a 9th level slot. Don't compare to Meteor Swarm, compare to spells one might actually use in a 9th level slot. Dandu listed the important ones. I'll even add Shades (for specialist Wizards), Foresight, Disjunction, and Wail of the Banshee, all of which might justify their place in a spellbook (or even on a Sorcerer's spells known list). That said, irresistible damage to a single creature might be a useful thing to do with a high-level spell - some situations just call for whoever is next in initiative to do a bunch of damage. Some 90 points of damage (undead: 130), single target, don't sound unbalancing to me. This is still a niche spell, not a "must memorize every day" spell. When you're fighting a Lich or Vampire, you might consider it. But you might also consider Shapechanging into a Planetar and just wrecking them yourself, or Gateing in a Solar to do the job for you, or Disjoining all their magic to make a takedown EZ, or whatever. [/QUOTE]
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