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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2700227" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>But only from the target getting attacked, not anyone else.</p><p></p><p>The target is explicitly not getting an AoO because you are "performing a distracting action", otherwise every other opponent who threatens you would also get an AoO.</p><p></p><p>Contast Grapple with Bullrush. With Bullrush, you lower your guard and everyone gets an AoO. With Grapple, this does not happen. You are not lowering your guard, hence, how can you use this as a comparison for lowering your guard when you reach into another square?</p><p></p><p>In fact, the AoOs for Special Actions are there as balance points, not because it makes sense that you would provoke an AoO for "reaching in" (and there are feats to avoid this, so it cannot be a reaching in issue, it has to be something else).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, RAW explicitly states that the touch action is part of the casting action. RAW also states that free actions are part of other actions. This sounds a lot closer than anything else I have heard here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, it seems likely that it was considered. The reason is that a door is typically on the edge of a square in the game.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of whether it was considered or not, the action of closing or opening a door, even if reaching into an opponent's square, does not according to RAW, provoke an AoO.</p><p></p><p>The action does not provoke. Period.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First off, all of these are attacks. The touch spell case is not an attack.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, all of them are attacks that only provoke against the targeted creature with the exception of Bull Rush. This means that none of these (except Bull Rush) can be considered due to "performing a distracting action"</p><p></p><p>RAW clearly states that certain attack actions cause AoOs.</p><p></p><p>It also clearly states that certain move actions cause AoOs due to "performing a distracting action".</p><p></p><p>The touch action is not a move action. It is not an attack action. The closest thing we have for it (in core rules) is a free action. Free actions (generally) do not provoke.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem with your position here is that you are adding a brand new component to the game called "reaching into your opponent's square".</p><p></p><p>You haven't illustrated that any of the Special Attacks provoke for reaching into the opponent's square, but you are assuming that this is the reason.</p><p></p><p>You are not comparing the touch action with similar actions, you are comparing it to dissimilar actions and claiming they are similar.</p><p></p><p>But, they are attacks. They only provoke to the target.</p><p></p><p>Touching is not an attack. You are also giving a non-target an AoO and that only occurs in the game for "performing a distracting action" and touching is also not a move action that can do that, but you have yet to illustrate in any way that it is distracting to the character performing it.</p><p></p><p>If you had a non-attack non-move action that provoked for "reaching in", your position might have some validity.</p><p></p><p>However, you are adding brand new rules based on a brand new concept (reaching in) that is not listed anywhere in RAW.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, free actions, actions part of other actions, and AoOs due to "performing a distracting action" are part of RAW.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2700227, member: 2011"] But only from the target getting attacked, not anyone else. The target is explicitly not getting an AoO because you are "performing a distracting action", otherwise every other opponent who threatens you would also get an AoO. Contast Grapple with Bullrush. With Bullrush, you lower your guard and everyone gets an AoO. With Grapple, this does not happen. You are not lowering your guard, hence, how can you use this as a comparison for lowering your guard when you reach into another square? In fact, the AoOs for Special Actions are there as balance points, not because it makes sense that you would provoke an AoO for "reaching in" (and there are feats to avoid this, so it cannot be a reaching in issue, it has to be something else). Well, RAW explicitly states that the touch action is part of the casting action. RAW also states that free actions are part of other actions. This sounds a lot closer than anything else I have heard here. Actually, it seems likely that it was considered. The reason is that a door is typically on the edge of a square in the game. Regardless of whether it was considered or not, the action of closing or opening a door, even if reaching into an opponent's square, does not according to RAW, provoke an AoO. The action does not provoke. Period. First off, all of these are attacks. The touch spell case is not an attack. Secondly, all of them are attacks that only provoke against the targeted creature with the exception of Bull Rush. This means that none of these (except Bull Rush) can be considered due to "performing a distracting action" RAW clearly states that certain attack actions cause AoOs. It also clearly states that certain move actions cause AoOs due to "performing a distracting action". The touch action is not a move action. It is not an attack action. The closest thing we have for it (in core rules) is a free action. Free actions (generally) do not provoke. The problem with your position here is that you are adding a brand new component to the game called "reaching into your opponent's square". You haven't illustrated that any of the Special Attacks provoke for reaching into the opponent's square, but you are assuming that this is the reason. You are not comparing the touch action with similar actions, you are comparing it to dissimilar actions and claiming they are similar. But, they are attacks. They only provoke to the target. Touching is not an attack. You are also giving a non-target an AoO and that only occurs in the game for "performing a distracting action" and touching is also not a move action that can do that, but you have yet to illustrate in any way that it is distracting to the character performing it. If you had a non-attack non-move action that provoked for "reaching in", your position might have some validity. However, you are adding brand new rules based on a brand new concept (reaching in) that is not listed anywhere in RAW. On the other hand, free actions, actions part of other actions, and AoOs due to "performing a distracting action" are part of RAW. [/QUOTE]
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