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Message: <blockquote data-quote="beepeearr" data-source="post: 2702268" data-attributes="member: 20548">Where are you finding that using a touch spell is a no-action.  It is either a part of the standard action used to cast the spell, or a standard action if used after the round it is cast, but I'm not finding any rules for "no actions" other than 5'step or delay, which 5' step is listed under misc. actions, and has the following sentence "for actions not covered below, the DM lets you know how long an action takes to perform and whether doing so provokes an attack of opportunity.  Show me where it is written that reaching into an occupied square does not provoke an attack of opportunity.  Awarding an attack of opportunity or not awarding an attack of opportunity is not a house rule it is a DM judgement call.  All I'm saying is that there are actions where entering or "effecting objects or creatures" within an occupied square does provoke an attack of opportunity from the occuppying creature.   It's not the touch spell we are focusing on, but the action of reaching into an occupied square.  What page does it specifically state or define what a "no action" is and that they never provoke an AoO, or that using a touch spell is even considered a "no action" that allows you to reach into an occupied square..  In addition since there are no rules written for reaching into an occupied square for anything other than an Attack or special action, what makes you suggest it is even allowed.  I could easilly accuse you of houseruling as well.  The actions and AoO list is not an all inclusive list.  It does not list every possible action that can be performed.  The DM is encouraged to make judgement calls.  A DM ruling is not a House Rule.  Seriously, how easy do you think it would be to touch someone lying at the feat of someone swinging a sword about.</blockquote>

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