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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2702331" data-attributes="member: 2011">You just stated it.&quot;part of the standard action used to cast the spell&quot;Any action that is explicitly listed as part of another action is called a No Action action unless it is explicitly listed as a free action.&quot;Not an Action: Some activities are so minor that they are not even considered free actions. They literally don't take any time at all to do and are considered an inherent part of doing something else. For instance, using the Use Magic Device skill (page 85) while trying to activate a device is not an action, it is part of the standard action to activate a magic item.&quot;&quot;To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject, either in the same round, or any time later. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) the target. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll.&quot;The touch here is automatic, it matters not when you do it in a round.From Rules of the Game:&quot;If you cast a spell with a range of touch, you can touch one recipient as a nonaction that's part of the action you used to cast the spell.&quot;There are a LOT of No Action actions in the game. An opposed check when being Tripped or Grappled or Disarmed. A soft fall off a horse. Casting Defensively. Concentrating to hide the display when manifesting a psionic power. A Search check for an Elf merely walking past a secret door. The list goes on and on and on.It doesn't work that way.You have to show me where reaching into an occupied square DOES provoke an attack of opportunity. Note: Grapple, Sunder, Disarm, and Unarmed Attack do not provoke for reaching in. There is not one sentence that states that that is the reason.The onus in on the person making up the new rule.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2702331, member: 2011"] You just stated it. "[b]part[/b] of the standard action used to cast the spell" Any action that is explicitly listed as part of another action is called a No Action action unless it is explicitly listed as a free action. "Not an Action: Some activities are so minor that they are not even considered free actions. They literally don't take any time at all to do and are considered [b]an inherent part of doing something else[/b]. For instance, using the Use Magic Device skill (page 85) while trying to activate a device is not an action, it is part of the standard action to activate a magic item." "To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject, either in the same round, or any time later. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) the target. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll." The touch here is automatic, it matters not when you do it in a round. From Rules of the Game: "If you cast a spell with a range of touch, you can touch one recipient as a nonaction that's part of the action you used to cast the spell." There are a LOT of No Action actions in the game. An opposed check when being Tripped or Grappled or Disarmed. A soft fall off a horse. Casting Defensively. Concentrating to hide the display when manifesting a psionic power. A Search check for an Elf merely walking past a secret door. The list goes on and on and on. It doesn't work that way. You have to show me where reaching into an occupied square DOES provoke an attack of opportunity. Note: Grapple, Sunder, Disarm, and Unarmed Attack do not provoke for reaching in. There is not one sentence that states that that is the reason. The onus in on the person making up the new rule. [/QUOTE]

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