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<blockquote data-quote="drothgery" data-source="post: 3027649" data-attributes="member: 360">Other.It's fair if they've found info on the way there that makes it pretty clear this is over their heads (though I'd argue that the ToH and many other classic D&amp;D/AD&amp;D1 adventures aren't really fair in general, at least based on what I know of them; I started gaming late in the 2e era, and rarely played through packaged adventures until recently).It's not fair if the DM dangles a bright shiny mound of treasure at the PCs, and gives no other hints that its in a dungeon that's well beyond them.This also has a lot to do with how 1st level characters are percieved in your campaign. If they're competent adults, and most people are 1st level (the default D&amp;D assumption, though one that I don't think jives with D&amp;D mechanics), then it's a lot more rational than in the demographics I normally propose (competent adults are 3rd-5th level; 1st level characters have just enough experience to be trusted without adult supervision, and are typically teenagers or the non-human equivalent thereof) for a first level character to think they're up to heading out after &quot;great treasure&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drothgery, post: 3027649, member: 360"] Other. It's fair if they've found info on the way there that makes it pretty clear this is over their heads (though I'd argue that the ToH and many other classic D&D/AD&D1 adventures aren't really fair in general, at least based on what I know of them; I started gaming late in the 2e era, and rarely played through packaged adventures until recently). It's not fair if the DM dangles a bright shiny mound of treasure at the PCs, and gives no other hints that its in a dungeon that's well beyond them. This also has a lot to do with how 1st level characters are percieved in your campaign. If they're competent adults, and most people are 1st level (the default D&D assumption, though one that I don't think jives with D&D mechanics), then it's a lot more rational than in the demographics I normally propose (competent adults are 3rd-5th level; 1st level characters have just enough experience to be trusted without adult supervision, and are typically teenagers or the non-human equivalent thereof) for a first level character to think they're up to heading out after "great treasure". [/QUOTE]

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