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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wayne62682" data-source="post: 3028901" data-attributes="member: 40455">Don't know about your group, but in mine "great treasure" is like dropping a piece of meat into a tank of pirahna; they'll be all over it in a second.Nor did he drop any hints that it was way out of their league.. which begs the question of why offer the hook in the first place unless it was to TPK the party?Well.. this I agree on.I could have sworn that the revised information said that no amount of investigation could turn up anything:No offense, but I see the opposite... that people get a thrill out of putting their players up against things that are not level appropriate in order to see their reactions and to laugh/deride them for assuming that it was level appropriate.  IMO it's bad DMing to put the players in a situation like that in the first place.  There is nothing wrong with letting them witness these things (e.g. as the level 1 party heads to the dungeon, a great wyrm dragon flies overhead towards its lair in the mountains) to illustrate that the world isn't a static place waiting for them to make the next move, but to throw them against it and then to dare to call "metagaming" for thinking that maybe the players want a real campaign and not an "I'm the DM, now face my army of Tarrasques and cower before my majesty!" ego-trip is utter rubbish.  I don't know if that mentality is a holdover from 1st edition or what, but that kind of behaviour belongs in the pages of Knights of the Dinner Table, not in any serious real-life game.  I would not stay at the table of anyone who routinely threw players into TPK situations without any indication beforehand that maybe we're over our heads.  In fact, I would not play at the table of anyone who routinely threw out high level plot hooks to a low level party, period.  Again let me apologize if the comment offends anyone, that is not my intent.But do you give them hints that it would be "instant death if they followed up on them"?  If you drop the hint and they don't pick up on it, then it's their own fault and not yours.  But if you let them think that they can handle it and then TPK them, it's your fault for throwing it to them in the first place.You are responsible if (and only if) you deliberately did not give any indication that the map led to the "Temple of Horrendous Doom" and that if the PCs went there they would be way out of their league, or that the lever was anything more than a normal lever.  If the players are too stubborn/arrogant/etc. to pick up on anything, then it's their fault.  But if you willingly lead them to the slaughter without giving them the chance to find out, then the blame lies squarely on your shoulders.</blockquote>

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