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<blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 3028981" data-attributes="member: 762">The Scenario as initially presented is perfectly fair. The party has full choice on investigating and then ignoring the map.With the &quot;additions&quot; the scenario is much less fair (or simply unfair), and frankly I can't see a DM doing this and the players having any fun at all.Edit: I'll amend my answer on one note. If the party has plenty of other things to do and can investigate those other things to their satisfaction, then the above is ok, they don't have much business going blind into possibly dangerous territory. If, on the other hand, the DM presents them with this lead and nothing else, then it's unfair.I have this situation in a game currently, and it's really bugging me. For the first several sessions the DM presented nothing to the party (on a scales of 0=freeform and 10=railroad, this was around .5) then we get subtle hints of bad things happening in place X. We can't find out anything specific even after a lot of investigation (gather info, divination spells, the works). Well, this is our only lead to adventure, the alternative is staying in town doing not a whole lot (I jokingly started crafing weapons on commission, which became not so much a joke when I realised that my character made more money this way than he had in the previous 4 sessions). We get to the location, and in short order find out we are way over our heads and are in full retreat. We (the players) all express some annoyance to the DM that the only lead he's thrown to us seems to be a deathtrap. We get to see tonight if maybe there's something more to it, but it's annoying none the less.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mort, post: 3028981, member: 762"] The Scenario as initially presented is perfectly fair. The party has full choice on investigating and then ignoring the map. With the "additions" the scenario is much less fair (or simply unfair), and frankly I can't see a DM doing this and the players having any fun at all. Edit: I'll amend my answer on one note. If the party has plenty of other things to do and can investigate those other things to their satisfaction, then the above is ok, they don't have much business going blind into possibly dangerous territory. If, on the other hand, the DM presents them with this lead and nothing else, then it's unfair. I have this situation in a game currently, and it's really bugging me. For the first several sessions the DM presented nothing to the party (on a scales of 0=freeform and 10=railroad, this was around .5) then we get subtle hints of bad things happening in place X. We can't find out anything specific even after a lot of investigation (gather info, divination spells, the works). Well, this is our only lead to adventure, the alternative is staying in town doing not a whole lot (I jokingly started crafing weapons on commission, which became not so much a joke when I realised that my character made more money this way than he had in the previous 4 sessions). We get to the location, and in short order find out we are way over our heads and are in full retreat. We (the players) all express some annoyance to the DM that the only lead he's thrown to us seems to be a deathtrap. We get to see tonight if maybe there's something more to it, but it's annoying none the less. [/QUOTE]

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