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<blockquote data-quote="T. Foster" data-source="post: 3020745" data-attributes="member: 16574"><p>Were I a player in such a game I'd never just pull that lever. I'd use whatever magical tricks I had to get the secret door open without pulling the lever (<em>knock</em>, <em>passwall</em>, gaseous form, etc.), then to get as much info as possible about the door and the lever (<em>divination</em>, <em>find traps</em>, <em>detect magic</em>, <em>true seeing</em>, etc.), and if all else failed <em>personally</em> I'd probably just leave with my macguffin (and perhaps come back later armed with more of the above or similar spells/techniques), but if the rest of the party insisted and I was outvoted I'd at least try to find some remote means of pulling the lever (rope, <em>unseen servant</em>, <em>summoned</em> monster, etc.). Since the hypothetical player didn't do any of that, I can't really judge if this situation was "fair" or not. If he did do all of that and still came down to having to roll a natural 20 save to survive, I'd probably declare the situation unfair (maybe not quite "unfair" since no one's <em>forcing</em> him to pull the lever and he can always just walk away, but not really much fun).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="T. Foster, post: 3020745, member: 16574"] Were I a player in such a game I'd never just pull that lever. I'd use whatever magical tricks I had to get the secret door open without pulling the lever ([i]knock[/i], [i]passwall[/i], gaseous form, etc.), then to get as much info as possible about the door and the lever ([i]divination[/i], [i]find traps[/i], [i]detect magic[/i], [i]true seeing[/i], etc.), and if all else failed [i]personally[/i] I'd probably just leave with my macguffin (and perhaps come back later armed with more of the above or similar spells/techniques), but if the rest of the party insisted and I was outvoted I'd at least try to find some remote means of pulling the lever (rope, [i]unseen servant[/i], [i]summoned[/i] monster, etc.). Since the hypothetical player didn't do any of that, I can't really judge if this situation was "fair" or not. If he did do all of that and still came down to having to roll a natural 20 save to survive, I'd probably declare the situation unfair (maybe not quite "unfair" since no one's [i]forcing[/i] him to pull the lever and he can always just walk away, but not really much fun). [/QUOTE]
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