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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 3037527" data-attributes="member: 22424">I thought I was out. Guess not. Something I need to address:When I first stated this, I put on it the caveat "in a level appropriate dungeon". I later repeated that position. Allow me to state it again:In a level-appropriate dungeon, a rogue who searches for traps in the correct place should find them. Certainly, it is unacceptable for him to miss a trap that the character with the best saves in the group cannot make the save against, and which kills said character outright.Furthermore, having cleared the dungeon and recovered the McGuffin, the party should know whether they are in a level-appropriate dungeon or not. Either they've handled the challenges so far without inordinate difficulty (in which case they are), or they have been in over their heads and have survived by luck alone (in which case they're not).By removing all the caveats, details and exeptions from what I said, you're moving my position from the realm of the reasonable to some absurd stance that the PCs should never be at risk of failure or death.</blockquote>