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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 3047396" data-attributes="member: 12037">Okay, so by your reasoning here, there's no such thing as unfairness. The DM is God and all he does cannot be wrong. Because, that's what you sound like here, and if that's what you think, then your bias in this thread is going to make this debate impossible.Totally unfounded and horrible analogy. Fairness isn't like following the law. Fairness is something the DM watches as he designs obstacles for the PCs to overcome.Second you see my "I can't determine fairness one way or the other without more information" to mean "I think the DM is acting unfairly unless otherwise proven." You do realize, dont you, that you could just as well say my stance was "I think the DM is acting fairly unless otherwise proven?" And, just for the record, those are both wrong.When dealing in hypotheticals, I need information to make an informed oppinion. I find this highly better than your way of dealing with it in which everything is fair unless somene can prove to you that it isn't. Again, your bias in this matter is showing through. How can you expect to debate when you are so clearly biased toward "fair" being the default, even when no information is given whatsoever? That is like a scientist declaring his hypothesis to be proven correct because his experiment was inconclusive.Okay here it is for you again:Fairness is like fun. It is subjective.Fairness must be applied to context. See the sword duel example above. Give a judo master and a kendo master swords and tell them to fight. That's not fair. You can't just take everything out of context.You surely cannot believe that there is a 100% objectively fair trap scenario that would be fair for all groups everywhere. Surely! Because that's what objectively means, by definition.It isn't a falacy.Raven, its like you're trying to prove what is objectively fun. I'm sorry, there is no formula to follow. But, if you want to know what is fun, you can poll a large number of people. If a lot of people find it fun, then you can be safe claiming it to be fun.</blockquote>

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