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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3049001" data-attributes="member: 18280">ThirdWizard, There is no decision to make the PCs use a rope to pull a lever.  There is a lever, and it is trapped.A few things:(1) They did almost nothing.  The rogue Searched.  That is all they did.  The rogue didn't even Take 10 or Take 20 to normalize or maximize his chance of success.  If this is somehow not "almost nothing" then I have to ask what could they have done that would have been both some form of action, and yet closer to nothing?  Have the monk Search?  And if they did have the monk Search instead, I imagine that you would still find the observation insulting to your playstyle.(2)  Objectively fair and objectively correct are not co-equal.  Just as all salmon are fish, but not all fish are salmon, all playstyles have the potential to be objectively fair, but not everything that is objectively fair is part of one particular playstyle.  The set of encounters which is objectively fair is greater than the set of encounters that make up normal within the context of any playstyle.Thus, when you say things like "The answer is that there is no objectively correct playstyle and thus there are no objectively fair traps", the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise.(3)  That the aforementioned observations approach insulting any playstyle is ludicrous.(4)  You obviously missed the several times that I said I would not personally use a trap like this as a DM.  We are not talking about my playstyle vs. your playstyle.  The encounter in the OP is not in my preferred playstyle.  It is, nonetheless, fair.  Fair is not fair simply because I like it.  Nor is unfair simply unfair because you don't like it.Then both should be considered fair until/unless we have reason to believe otherwise.RC</blockquote>

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