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<blockquote data-quote="Silverglass" data-source="post: 1205131" data-attributes="member: 14071"><p>I think that this is a reasonable feat, as its not going to appear in any class bonus feat lists the best a non-epic character is going to achieve is +6 caster levels from this. So a Ftr 15/Wiz 5 would effectively be a Wiz 11. A Ftr 4/Wiz 16 could reach CL20 by using 4 feats which is more of an issue so perhaps an addendum to limit the feat to raising CL to 15.</p><p></p><p>I doubt that anyone disagrees that a Wiz 11 is much much less powerful than a Wiz 20. Caster power does not increase in a linear fashion because the class grants more spells per day and more powerful spells as you progress.</p><p></p><p>Even a Cleric 10/Wiz 10 with effective 10/16 CL and casting 8th level wizard spells is not that horrific because the PC will have burned <strong>every</strong> level based feat after first to do so (and they are still down 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8th and 4 9th level spells and are 20% worse at penetrating SR, but at least they have some chance to beat SR whereas without this feat they have pretty much no chance). So their actual feats as a 20th level PC are Scribe Scroll, the feat taken at 1st and 2 Wizard Bonus Feats.</p><p></p><p>Compare that against a pure Wiz 20 and you will see that there still is an advantage to not multiclassing but that this multiclass can at least affect opponents with the spells they have.</p><p></p><p>The only sting comes with the addition of Mystic Theurge or +1 caster level per level type PrC's.</p><p></p><p>A Ftr 1, Wiz 9, Eldritch Knight 10 could have an effective Caster Level of 20 by burning 2 feats and a Cleric 5, Wiz 5, MT 10 could reach 16/20 or 18/18 with his 6 feats. Whether people see this as an insurmountable balance issue is one that I think will vary and that there will never be a final agreement.</p><p></p><p>Therefore my suggestion for those who find this a problem (I do) is to amend the feat so that it does not stack with additions to caster level granted by PrC's.</p><p></p><p>If the PC goes the PrC route then they gain something similar to this feat anyway and this feat then allows a PC to be a somewhat effective multiclass caster without forcing them to go down the PrC route to retain some spellcasting parity with pure spellcasters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silverglass, post: 1205131, member: 14071"] I think that this is a reasonable feat, as its not going to appear in any class bonus feat lists the best a non-epic character is going to achieve is +6 caster levels from this. So a Ftr 15/Wiz 5 would effectively be a Wiz 11. A Ftr 4/Wiz 16 could reach CL20 by using 4 feats which is more of an issue so perhaps an addendum to limit the feat to raising CL to 15. I doubt that anyone disagrees that a Wiz 11 is much much less powerful than a Wiz 20. Caster power does not increase in a linear fashion because the class grants more spells per day and more powerful spells as you progress. Even a Cleric 10/Wiz 10 with effective 10/16 CL and casting 8th level wizard spells is not that horrific because the PC will have burned [B]every[/B] level based feat after first to do so (and they are still down 1 6th, 1 7th, 2 8th and 4 9th level spells and are 20% worse at penetrating SR, but at least they have some chance to beat SR whereas without this feat they have pretty much no chance). So their actual feats as a 20th level PC are Scribe Scroll, the feat taken at 1st and 2 Wizard Bonus Feats. Compare that against a pure Wiz 20 and you will see that there still is an advantage to not multiclassing but that this multiclass can at least affect opponents with the spells they have. The only sting comes with the addition of Mystic Theurge or +1 caster level per level type PrC's. A Ftr 1, Wiz 9, Eldritch Knight 10 could have an effective Caster Level of 20 by burning 2 feats and a Cleric 5, Wiz 5, MT 10 could reach 16/20 or 18/18 with his 6 feats. Whether people see this as an insurmountable balance issue is one that I think will vary and that there will never be a final agreement. Therefore my suggestion for those who find this a problem (I do) is to amend the feat so that it does not stack with additions to caster level granted by PrC's. If the PC goes the PrC route then they gain something similar to this feat anyway and this feat then allows a PC to be a somewhat effective multiclass caster without forcing them to go down the PrC route to retain some spellcasting parity with pure spellcasters. [/QUOTE]
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