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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 5640723" data-attributes="member: 18701"><p>Explain this to him if you haven't. Sometimes we don't see things from the players perspective and make a lot of assumptions. He may just assume things are easier for you than they really are.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As a DM, I can get bored too when players take forever to do the slightest thing. Are you guys taking 30 minutes to decide something as piddly as which pathway to take? If so, you are partly to blame. But the DM still shouldn't be a smartass about it. Ask him not to do that and tell him that if he feels you guys are taking too long, to just speak up and and say so.</p><p></p><p> A guy that likes to shoot the breeze with his "friends". Yeah, that's the worst sort of DM right there. Especially the type of guy that keeps rehashing the same stories. If I have to hear my dad's 'pretzel move wrestling joke' one more time my head will explode. Good thing he doesn't DM.</p><p></p><p>I don't really understand this one. But I prefer players telling me exactly which NPC they attack because I keep separate hitpoints for each one. It also keeps there from being misunderstandings.</p><p></p><p>Archery Rogues are entirely pointless. You should be sticking and jabbing with a blade like a real Rogue. Preferably with daggers like they used to do before the rapier became the only Rogue weapon. That way you can throw your daggers the few times you don't have to go toe-to-toe, so either way, yer using the same weapon!</p><p></p><p>I've never seen a DM roleplay a persons PC for them. Why don't you ask him if you can roleplay his NPCs for him?</p><p></p><p>You should have fired at them with your Archer Rogue's bow!</p><p></p><p>It isn't really the responsibility of a DM to give advice. Not that he can't, but I wouldn't put the blame on him if he didn't. I ask God for advice all the time and he still just tells me to "read the book".</p><p></p><p>Ya should have specified you were moving silently. I assume nothing as a DM because it can get me into trouble. Plus, he has a slew of NPCs to play, he can't play your PC for you.</p><p></p><p>What is the problem here? Sounds like a fun game to me. What do you think should have happened? How did you get inside then without a pass? The gate guards let you in without a pass or telling you that you need a pass? That would be strange, but I still think this scenario sounds like a pretty fun predicament to overcome. I don't know why yer complaining about this at all.</p><p></p><p>Taken face value, this sounds kinda crappy. But if he spent 2 hours on this scenario, I'm lead to believe he was trying to give you guys every opportunity to escape or possibly fight your way out. But even if that is the case, this could be chalked up to you guys just being inexperienced players that didn't pick up on his subtle "escape routes". It's nobodies fault really, but the DM probably should have been a bit more obvious & helpful if he meant for you guys to escape.</p><p></p><p>I blame the cowardly Rogue for running! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Naw, I don't know what to say about this. There is a lack of info, so I'm not sure what you are complaining about. Are you saying the DM shouldn't have had a Lich as the BBEG at your level?</p><p></p><p>You show up at a church naked and armed with a stick? What kind of stick was this? Were you waving it around in a threatening manner? Did you ID the stick to make sure it wasn't radiating evil? You never explained where you got the stick. Was it on the ground when you found it or did you pull it off of a live tree? Did the stick maybe belong to one of the priests? Does this gods rival have a holy symbol that looks like a stick? To be honest, if you showed up at my door naked and armed with a stick, and you started asking me for some free stuff, I'd probably call a few cops and hope they kicked your butt.</p><p></p><p>At the table? The experienced players didn't mind? I've heard of players stacking dice or texting, but damn.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yer the Rogue and yer complaining about having to use your lockpick skill? You just want the keys? That's a new one for me.</p><p></p><p>I don't know what edition yer playing, but for 3e, the DC's for locks are 20 for very simple locks, 25 for average locks, 30 for good locks, and 40 for amazing locks. I'd hope a tower is locked with something better than a very simple lock.</p><p></p><p> Why do goblins carry wet fur? They do a lot of things that don't make any sense. Anyway, you found a treasure hoard and an amulet, but you're still finding something to complain about?</p><p></p><p> This DM sounds way too unreasonable. I don't even know why he tries. I think you should take over DMing. You will obviously do a much better job than him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 5640723, member: 18701"] Explain this to him if you haven't. Sometimes we don't see things from the players perspective and make a lot of assumptions. He may just assume things are easier for you than they really are. As a DM, I can get bored too when players take forever to do the slightest thing. Are you guys taking 30 minutes to decide something as piddly as which pathway to take? If so, you are partly to blame. But the DM still shouldn't be a smartass about it. Ask him not to do that and tell him that if he feels you guys are taking too long, to just speak up and and say so. A guy that likes to shoot the breeze with his "friends". Yeah, that's the worst sort of DM right there. Especially the type of guy that keeps rehashing the same stories. If I have to hear my dad's 'pretzel move wrestling joke' one more time my head will explode. Good thing he doesn't DM. I don't really understand this one. But I prefer players telling me exactly which NPC they attack because I keep separate hitpoints for each one. It also keeps there from being misunderstandings. Archery Rogues are entirely pointless. You should be sticking and jabbing with a blade like a real Rogue. Preferably with daggers like they used to do before the rapier became the only Rogue weapon. That way you can throw your daggers the few times you don't have to go toe-to-toe, so either way, yer using the same weapon! I've never seen a DM roleplay a persons PC for them. Why don't you ask him if you can roleplay his NPCs for him? You should have fired at them with your Archer Rogue's bow! It isn't really the responsibility of a DM to give advice. Not that he can't, but I wouldn't put the blame on him if he didn't. I ask God for advice all the time and he still just tells me to "read the book". Ya should have specified you were moving silently. I assume nothing as a DM because it can get me into trouble. Plus, he has a slew of NPCs to play, he can't play your PC for you. What is the problem here? Sounds like a fun game to me. What do you think should have happened? How did you get inside then without a pass? The gate guards let you in without a pass or telling you that you need a pass? That would be strange, but I still think this scenario sounds like a pretty fun predicament to overcome. I don't know why yer complaining about this at all. Taken face value, this sounds kinda crappy. But if he spent 2 hours on this scenario, I'm lead to believe he was trying to give you guys every opportunity to escape or possibly fight your way out. But even if that is the case, this could be chalked up to you guys just being inexperienced players that didn't pick up on his subtle "escape routes". It's nobodies fault really, but the DM probably should have been a bit more obvious & helpful if he meant for you guys to escape. I blame the cowardly Rogue for running! :p Naw, I don't know what to say about this. There is a lack of info, so I'm not sure what you are complaining about. Are you saying the DM shouldn't have had a Lich as the BBEG at your level? You show up at a church naked and armed with a stick? What kind of stick was this? Were you waving it around in a threatening manner? Did you ID the stick to make sure it wasn't radiating evil? You never explained where you got the stick. Was it on the ground when you found it or did you pull it off of a live tree? Did the stick maybe belong to one of the priests? Does this gods rival have a holy symbol that looks like a stick? To be honest, if you showed up at my door naked and armed with a stick, and you started asking me for some free stuff, I'd probably call a few cops and hope they kicked your butt. At the table? The experienced players didn't mind? I've heard of players stacking dice or texting, but damn. Yer the Rogue and yer complaining about having to use your lockpick skill? You just want the keys? That's a new one for me. I don't know what edition yer playing, but for 3e, the DC's for locks are 20 for very simple locks, 25 for average locks, 30 for good locks, and 40 for amazing locks. I'd hope a tower is locked with something better than a very simple lock. Why do goblins carry wet fur? They do a lot of things that don't make any sense. Anyway, you found a treasure hoard and an amulet, but you're still finding something to complain about? This DM sounds way too unreasonable. I don't even know why he tries. I think you should take over DMing. You will obviously do a much better job than him. [/QUOTE]
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