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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EyeontheMountain" data-source="post: 3088799" data-attributes="member: 32338">I am always a bit leery of races that ahve lots of ability adjustments, particularly a bonuses to physical/mental and penalties to the toehr half. Not only does the pidgeonhole the race, but it makes it a lot ahrder to play, especially when a -4 comes into play on such a critical stat as fortitude. Not only the hp loss forthe average spellcaster, but also the fortitude save loss (Which will usually be poor anyway). would make the character have such a glass jaw ahgainst any real-world effects like poison, disease, fatigue, etc that they would not be suitable for the adventuring life.The bonuses to saves are too high in my opinion. Just plain adding them onto the elve's already high-end abiliteis makes it unbalanced in my opinion. Switching out a minor enchantment save for that is not a fair tradeoff.All that said, the race is not bad at all, as it has enough drawbacks to not be a must-take race (like many of the elven subtypes.)DWM</blockquote>