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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 3090277" data-attributes="member: 3051">Why is this only a problem for "more than the standard +2/-2"?  I can already do that with the core races; if a 14 gets bumped up to a 16 at a cost of -2 to another stat, I effectively gain 2 points (compared to a Human who tries to get the same stats).As long as you acknowledge that any +2 doesn't simply cancel any -2 out, it still works.  You just have to accept that the players will build their characters in such a way that they maximize the benefits of the +2 while minimizing the drawbacks of the -2.  In the core races, the only race whose +2 stat is obviously stronger than the -2 is the Dwarf (+2 CON, -2 CHA), and they pay for it in other ways.That's why I support the Half-Orc's stats (+2 STR balanced by two weaker -2s): by picking certain classes he'll clearly get the full benefit of the STR boost, while not really being penalized for the minuses.  Take the Half-Ogre I mentioned; his net statmod total was -4, but of course he'd put a high score into STR, and use the resulting point boost to make up the loss.  Yes, it did skew Half-Ogres more towards the physical side of things, but the Half-Ogre in our campaign was a Ranger/Rogue/Barbarian who went Horizon Walker; when you have 6+INT skill points per level (or 4+INT with other bonuses), losing two points of INT doesn't really cost you much.  The WIS loss?  Well, Horizon Walkers don't get spells.  And the CHA drop fit his persona.</blockquote>

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