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<blockquote data-quote="Blackwind" data-source="post: 2918667" data-attributes="member: 1205">Thanks for the input, everyone.ThoughtBubble and Land Outcast:&nbsp; Yes, I am the DM.&nbsp; Yes, I am aware of Rule Zero.&nbsp; I suppose my question was more along the lines of, &quot;What would you do in this situation?&quot;Harmon:&nbsp; I am definitely planning to talk to the player before our next session.&nbsp; Since alignment in my Eberron campaign is sort of subjective, we really need to clarify what her code is - that is, what constitutes Lawful Good for her.&nbsp; Since she is a member of the King's Swords and has not really specified any other moral code that her character follows, I am assuming that betraying the Swords (or the King, or the country) would constitute a chaotic act for her.&nbsp; And of course I will give her fair warning of the potential consequences <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />FireLance: Good point.&nbsp; A few minor chaotic or neutral acts are not going to cause her to lose her powers.&nbsp; And this is all relative to her code, of course; for example, in the last session she lied point blank to an agent of House Cannith.&nbsp; I wouldn't even consider that chaotic, since she was following orders from her commanding officer to find out more about House Cannith's plans regarding a specific item.&nbsp; If she lied to her commanding officer, however, that would be problematic.&nbsp; If she did this regularly, or if she willfully acted in a way that would harm the King or the nation, I think her alignment would shift toward neutrality and THEN I would rule that she was no longer a Paladin.&nbsp; At that point, the question becomes whether or not she loses all her cool powers.&nbsp; At that point, I might just house-rule it and say that although she can't gain levels in paladin anymore, she doesn't lose her powers unless her alignment shifts away from Good.&nbsp; But would that be too easy on her?&nbsp; In a campaign with more experienced players I would enforce the RAW in this situation.&nbsp; However, this is her first experience with D&amp;D and I don't think it would break the game to cut her some slack.&nbsp;&nbsp; Gearjammer:&nbsp; Thanks for pointing out the Holy Liberator.&nbsp; That's a cool concept and it might be more her speed.Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if she starts taking levels in Rogue after &quot;falling from grace.&quot;&nbsp; After completing her first adventure she started complaining about the armor check penalty of her scale mail and saying that she wanted more stealth.&nbsp; And here I was going to give her some nice heavy armor, lol...&nbsp; New players are always busting up my assumptions about the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blackwind, post: 2918667, member: 1205"] Thanks for the input, everyone. ThoughtBubble and Land Outcast: Yes, I am the DM. Yes, I am aware of Rule Zero. I suppose my question was more along the lines of, "What would you do in this situation?" Harmon: I am definitely planning to talk to the player before our next session. Since alignment in my Eberron campaign is sort of subjective, we really need to clarify what her code is - that is, what constitutes Lawful Good for her. Since she is a member of the King's Swords and has not really specified any other moral code that her character follows, I am assuming that betraying the Swords (or the King, or the country) would constitute a chaotic act for her. And of course I will give her fair warning of the potential consequences :-) FireLance: Good point. A few minor chaotic or neutral acts are not going to cause her to lose her powers. And this is all relative to her code, of course; for example, in the last session she lied point blank to an agent of House Cannith. I wouldn't even consider that chaotic, since she was following orders from her commanding officer to find out more about House Cannith's plans regarding a specific item. If she lied to her commanding officer, however, that would be problematic. If she did this regularly, or if she willfully acted in a way that would harm the King or the nation, I think her alignment would shift toward neutrality and THEN I would rule that she was no longer a Paladin. At that point, the question becomes whether or not she loses all her cool powers. At that point, I might just house-rule it and say that although she can't gain levels in paladin anymore, she doesn't lose her powers unless her alignment shifts away from Good. But would that be too easy on her? In a campaign with more experienced players I would enforce the RAW in this situation. However, this is her first experience with D&D and I don't think it would break the game to cut her some slack. Gearjammer: Thanks for pointing out the Holy Liberator. That's a cool concept and it might be more her speed. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if she starts taking levels in Rogue after "falling from grace." After completing her first adventure she started complaining about the armor check penalty of her scale mail and saying that she wanted more stealth. And here I was going to give her some nice heavy armor, lol... New players are always busting up my assumptions about the game. [/QUOTE]

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