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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kutulu" data-source="post: 4705559" data-attributes="member: 82459">Two comments.  From a player's perspective, as a puzzle-oriented player I'd start by putting the yellow gem in place, then start pushing things.  Once I determined that pushing on the gems moved the die I'd try the typical gimmicks:* Push gems until all the die read the same #* Push gems until the die read 1-2-3-4-5 in some order* Look for numbers scratched into the wall somewhereFrom a DM's perspective, throwing puzzles at your players is a gigantic risk.  If you already know that your players like puzzles, and the answer is at least reasonable, then you're fine.  But I'd estimate that at least 2/3 of the players I've ever played and/or DM'd with would react by staring at the puzzle silently until I gave them the answer. If you are gonna throw puzzles at your players, remember this: just because your player cannot solve the puzzle should not imply that the character cannot solve the puzzle.  You don't expect your players to actually make a standing 30 foot jump before you allow their character to leap over a pit.  So don't expect your player to display a 140 IQ before allowing their genius character to solve a puzzle. If they are truly stumped by the puzzle, let them make skill/ability checks and give them hints.  "You notice that pushing each gem causes the same die to spin each time."  ... "You realize that 3 of the 5 die now read '2'." ... "You see scratches in the rock of the dias reading: | || ||| |||| |||||".Etc.</blockquote>

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