Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Is this what you went through with 3rd Edition?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="kenmarable" data-source="post: 4116951" data-attributes="member: 40359"><p>I don't recall there being this level of dissent (but I could be remembering wrong). It was the exact same sort of stuff, but it seemed much more 80/20 or even 90/10 pro-against. This time, it's much closer (50/50, 60/40, 40/60 - depends on which messageboard and which forum within a messageboard you go to).</p><p></p><p>I'm certainly not <strong>anti</strong>-4e. There's some stuff I like about it. But there's enough that I don't like that - for me personally - I'll probably be sticking with 3.5 (or 3P - Pathfinder RPG). I was excited for 3e when it first came along because it seemed to largely keep what I liked and fixed much of what I didn't. With 4e, it's changing not just what I didn't like, but also a lot of what I *do* like. For me personally, the fixes have crossed the threshold of what I was comfortable with changing. To jump entirely to 4e, I would lose almost as much that I enjoy as I would gain. Tweaking 3.5 (with Pathfinder RPG or heavy house rules or whatever), I can have most of the fixes without losing what I still enjoy. </p><p></p><p>Besides, I play fast and loose enough with the rules when I DM, that I'd rather fudge numbers through a complicated high level combat than have a system with perfect math but fireballs aren't a handful of d6's, wizards don't have hundreds of spells each level to choose from (and each a couple paragraphs of some weird effect), the Great Wheel with the Blood War, having to wait a year (or more) for the content that I have already, and so on.</p><p></p><p>For some, what I have loved about the game since I was a kid are areas that they feel need fixing, and they probably love 4e. That's cool with me, I can understand that. But for me, from what I've seen so far, what I dislike about 4e far outweighs what I dislike about 3.5. So it'd be easier to hammer 3.5 into my perfect game than 4e. (And, for the record, I've been playing since red box days.)</p><p></p><p>Of course, once I try out 4e, I may be entirely wrong, but after the previews at D&DXP, I'm much less excited about 4e than I was beforehand.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenmarable, post: 4116951, member: 40359"] I don't recall there being this level of dissent (but I could be remembering wrong). It was the exact same sort of stuff, but it seemed much more 80/20 or even 90/10 pro-against. This time, it's much closer (50/50, 60/40, 40/60 - depends on which messageboard and which forum within a messageboard you go to). I'm certainly not [b]anti[/b]-4e. There's some stuff I like about it. But there's enough that I don't like that - for me personally - I'll probably be sticking with 3.5 (or 3P - Pathfinder RPG). I was excited for 3e when it first came along because it seemed to largely keep what I liked and fixed much of what I didn't. With 4e, it's changing not just what I didn't like, but also a lot of what I *do* like. For me personally, the fixes have crossed the threshold of what I was comfortable with changing. To jump entirely to 4e, I would lose almost as much that I enjoy as I would gain. Tweaking 3.5 (with Pathfinder RPG or heavy house rules or whatever), I can have most of the fixes without losing what I still enjoy. Besides, I play fast and loose enough with the rules when I DM, that I'd rather fudge numbers through a complicated high level combat than have a system with perfect math but fireballs aren't a handful of d6's, wizards don't have hundreds of spells each level to choose from (and each a couple paragraphs of some weird effect), the Great Wheel with the Blood War, having to wait a year (or more) for the content that I have already, and so on. For some, what I have loved about the game since I was a kid are areas that they feel need fixing, and they probably love 4e. That's cool with me, I can understand that. But for me, from what I've seen so far, what I dislike about 4e far outweighs what I dislike about 3.5. So it'd be easier to hammer 3.5 into my perfect game than 4e. (And, for the record, I've been playing since red box days.) Of course, once I try out 4e, I may be entirely wrong, but after the previews at D&DXP, I'm much less excited about 4e than I was beforehand. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Is this what you went through with 3rd Edition?
Top