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<blockquote data-quote="HP Dreadnought" data-source="post: 4119161" data-attributes="member: 55935">I don't happen to remember your name from the 1999 era either.&nbsp; Either you weren't here, or just weren't very memorable.This is probably my fourth or fifth account on here.&nbsp; (Keep having various issues over the years that just make it easier to create a new account.)&nbsp; I joined Eric Noah's forums prior to the release of 3E.&nbsp; Not sure what my handle was then. . . Soulcatcher?&nbsp; Soulmage?&nbsp; I'm on dozens of forums all over the net, it gets difficult to keep track after a while.This may be news to you. . . but EnWorld is not the only place where 4E is discussed and saying &quot;If its not said on EnWorld it doesn't count&quot; is convenient, but not rational.&nbsp; Most people participate in multiple D&amp;D forums.&nbsp; I see lots of people here from Monte's boards the Necromancer forums and so on.I posted heavily on Monte's forums back in those days (I tended to lurk here) and saw all those statements made repeatedly.&nbsp; I saw more of the same here.So yes, the same statements were made then as are being made now and I expect the we'll see the same outcome.&nbsp; The vast majority of people with switch, like the new system.&nbsp; Many detractors will eventually switch as well. . . only to bitterly complain again once 5th edition comes out.Interestingly. . .&nbsp; this is not a D&amp;D specific phenomenon.I also play 40k and Fantasy (among a great many other games).&nbsp; In both cases when those systems went through edition upgrades, we saw exactly the same sort of thing all over the net - &quot;its being dumbed down, its not 40k anymore, I'm sticking with 3rd etc. etc. etc.)&nbsp; 4th edition 40k and 3.5e D&amp;D came out about the same time and the parallells in people's bitching were quite amusing to me.&nbsp; Same complaints, different system.&nbsp; Must just be a gamer thing.&nbsp; I could file off the details of the posts and easily crosspost between 40k and D&amp;D forums the same sorts of things people are saying.Now 5th edition 40k is being released this summer. . . and once again the same phenomenon is occurring.&nbsp; The same sorts of complaints from people even though they are completely different systems.So in short. . . the OP was right on target when he discusses the kind of complaints people have.&nbsp; Those of us who have been around a while just kinda roll our eyes at those comments as coming from a bunch of chicken littles.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HP Dreadnought, post: 4119161, member: 55935"] I don't happen to remember your name from the 1999 era either. Either you weren't here, or just weren't very memorable. This is probably my fourth or fifth account on here. (Keep having various issues over the years that just make it easier to create a new account.) I joined Eric Noah's forums prior to the release of 3E. Not sure what my handle was then. . . Soulcatcher? Soulmage? I'm on dozens of forums all over the net, it gets difficult to keep track after a while. This may be news to you. . . but EnWorld is not the only place where 4E is discussed and saying "If its not said on EnWorld it doesn't count" is convenient, but not rational. Most people participate in multiple D&D forums. I see lots of people here from Monte's boards the Necromancer forums and so on. I posted heavily on Monte's forums back in those days (I tended to lurk here) and saw all those statements made repeatedly. I saw more of the same here. So yes, the same statements were made then as are being made now and I expect the we'll see the same outcome. The vast majority of people with switch, like the new system. Many detractors will eventually switch as well. . . only to bitterly complain again once 5th edition comes out. Interestingly. . . this is not a D&D specific phenomenon. I also play 40k and Fantasy (among a great many other games). In both cases when those systems went through edition upgrades, we saw exactly the same sort of thing all over the net - "its being dumbed down, its not 40k anymore, I'm sticking with 3rd etc. etc. etc.) 4th edition 40k and 3.5e D&D came out about the same time and the parallells in people's bitching were quite amusing to me. Same complaints, different system. Must just be a gamer thing. I could file off the details of the posts and easily crosspost between 40k and D&D forums the same sorts of things people are saying. Now 5th edition 40k is being released this summer. . . and once again the same phenomenon is occurring. The same sorts of complaints from people even though they are completely different systems. So in short. . . the OP was right on target when he discusses the kind of complaints people have. Those of us who have been around a while just kinda roll our eyes at those comments as coming from a bunch of chicken littles. [/QUOTE]

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