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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FadedC" data-source="post: 4119827" data-attributes="member: 55463">I was around back then although under a different name. I actually remember getting into long arguments with ruin explorer about things related to 3E although for the life of me I can't remember what they were actually about.Either way I also remember I was one of the main defenders that 3e wasn't turning into a hack and slash game with no roleplaying. There were a TON of people saying that (though ruin was not necesarily one of them). The argument was that the more detailed rules on combat and game balance was turning it into a pure combat game. The defenders said it was the DM not the rules that determined that. It was almost exactly the same thing as you see now.In the end though I did think 3e was a bit more of a shift towards combat. Certainly I did think the published modules and adventures had less focus on interesting situations and more focus on interesting battles. Not a huge deal but for me at least a noticable one. I still thought 3e was the far better system of course.</blockquote>