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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4121203" data-attributes="member: 957">You said objective and units sold/cash produced, particularly over time, is the only truly objective measure that I can think of.  I understand that you didn't use the word first.....Well, as I've said, I've got to go to the internet to find 4e fans.  So I guess you are right, the wedge is just an internet thing, in meat space everyone like 3X.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />  (teasing)But seriously, on the web the 3e debates shifted strongly toward pro-3e as the game became more and more revealed. So the internet part cancels out.  The 3e debates ended in relative peace.  The 4e debates just churn on and on.I agree.  There are lots of different reasons to that people have for not liking 4e.  And I certainly agree that some of them are dumb.  Some of them are also highly subjective or abstract, so trying to put them in terms that are anything other than loose or vague terms is not going to be easy.  My spin from the opposite side is that these abstract ideas get expressed and instead of trying to understand the point, numerous recurring pro-4e posters will launch into a lawyer style attack on the very meaning of the abstract concept.  The person with an issue is suddenly left with no options other than get in a pissing match as to whether their idea of fun even exists or simply abandon the thread to a bunch of people who think they know what was said better then the person who said it.  And I think the issue there is largely that there are a lot of different rules changes.  It is fair to conclude that somethings go one way and other go the opposite.  I think I see video game influence in places and there are places where I don't see it at all.  And I don't have a concern about that issue either way.</blockquote>

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