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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Telsar" data-source="post: 3700001" data-attributes="member: 18837">I think it's more the threat of some permanent disability that's necessary.  My house rules say PCs never die until their player wants, but if they are "dying" for too long, they take on permanent Flaws (from Unearthed Arcana or the SRD).  My players avoid that as much, or more, than they would avoid death.Plus those players who write out 10-page backgrounds for their characters, and those whose characters develop relationships in-game, didn't waste their time.  Players who do those things are usually happy to play their character with an extra Flaw; gives them "character" and something to RP about.</blockquote>