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Message: <blockquote data-quote="collin" data-source="post: 7692844" data-attributes="member: 6757">I enjoy the comments in this thread so far, and I agree that, although perhaps not meant to be a tournament module, it is probably best used as such.  Gygax has stated in interviews that he created it because his players thought there was no dungeon he could come up with that would be challenging enough for them, so he met that challenge.  And, TSR needed product in its early days, so this was as good an adventure scenario as any to publish.  Also, comments he made over the years in interviews pretty much confirms that at least in those early days of D&D, the relationship between the DM and the players was more of an adversarial one.  That is, it was more of a DM vs the players to see who would "win".  Gygax had no problem with this concept, unlike more modern role-playing where the DM creates a story and helps guide the players while offering them various challenges.  Along these lines, the novel that WotC published early in the 3rd edition years, written by Keith Strohm, does a nice job of telling a story that incorporates characters and plants the Tomb of Horrors in the story as a cumulative plot device for the characters to overcome for the sake of retrieving treasure to help a local government.  So although the adventure itself seems like more of a one-shot tournament challenge, you can use the Tomb of Horrors in such a way as to expand the continuing story of an adventure party. As for John Wick's comments, the disdain for ToH is understandable at first glance.  But one has to take other factors into account before simply labeling it as the worst adventure ever and walking away.  It's the context that's important.</blockquote>

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