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<blockquote data-quote="Zak S" data-source="post: 7693417" data-attributes="member: 90370"><p>and Eric V, too</p><p></p><p>Your logical fallacy here is an equivocation over the words "logical" and "rational" and "intelligent"--they are used to mean different things in different parts of your argument.</p><p></p><p>In trying to WIN the game, what's logical and rational and intelligent concerns "What actions can you perform to get the max xp, survive, etc?".</p><p></p><p>In trying to CRITIQUE the quality of the game, what's intelligent (in the game design) concerns "How do possible players' idea of fun line up with what the module enables?"</p><p></p><p>You throw another different definition (kind of blurring "logical" "rational" and "intelligent") into the mix (also used in critque) "Is the fantastic gameworld itself logically consistent with our world?"--which is not relevant. Like asking why each time you jump on a turtle in Super Mario it slides rather than just gets crushed. Does an "intelligent"</p><p>player throw up their hands in disgust because the physics are "irrational" or does the intelligent player realize</p><p>how turtle shells work and use it to their advantage. Depends on which of the equivocal definitions you used.</p><p></p><p>So you're pretending "logical and rational" mean the same thing in all 3 cases when you've secretly kind of redefined it each time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zak S, post: 7693417, member: 90370"] and Eric V, too Your logical fallacy here is an equivocation over the words "logical" and "rational" and "intelligent"--they are used to mean different things in different parts of your argument. In trying to WIN the game, what's logical and rational and intelligent concerns "What actions can you perform to get the max xp, survive, etc?". In trying to CRITIQUE the quality of the game, what's intelligent (in the game design) concerns "How do possible players' idea of fun line up with what the module enables?" You throw another different definition (kind of blurring "logical" "rational" and "intelligent") into the mix (also used in critque) "Is the fantastic gameworld itself logically consistent with our world?"--which is not relevant. Like asking why each time you jump on a turtle in Super Mario it slides rather than just gets crushed. Does an "intelligent" player throw up their hands in disgust because the physics are "irrational" or does the intelligent player realize how turtle shells work and use it to their advantage. Depends on which of the equivocal definitions you used. So you're pretending "logical and rational" mean the same thing in all 3 cases when you've secretly kind of redefined it each time. [/QUOTE]
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