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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Legildur" data-source="post: 2641490" data-attributes="member: 1258">Certainly most of the clerics in the groups I play in place some value in turn undead.  But two things spring to mind:1.  Undead are often encountered in a set area of a dungeon and consequently have been bolstered by someone and are difficult to turn.  This has led to a degree of frustration amongst the various cleric players (including those that have focused on undead turning).2.  Unless you take some feats that allow you sacrifice turn attempts for another purpose (Divine metamagic, Divine Might etc) then it is a wasted resource, that makes up a fair bit of the power of the cleric class, if you don't encounter undead.3.  Having the capacity to Turn a creature that drains levels or ability points is really, really, nice to have in a tight spot.In summary, I would NEVER be without it (unless the campaign was so clearly biased against undead), but I would make sure that I took some feats to make use of the ability for those days when there are no undead on the horizon.</blockquote>