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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7592898" data-attributes="member: 6919838">To me though, this is conflating teo different tules snd then deciding to say &quot;no&quot; because of the rules.The help action in combat is *not* the same as &quot;working together.&quot; So choosing to see the limitations of one as applying yo the other is, to me, a stretch.The help action in combat is just as achievable by distracting as it is by making an attack of your own. That's not just from rules as it is from practical sense. &quot;You faint, distract the target or in some other way...&quot; is clearly in both rules and normal language and common sense not requiring an attack to pull of helping the ally score a hit.So, to me, I dont pull in the &quot;could attempt alone&quot; into the help action because even on the most basic rules level they specifically reference distracting and a familiar can absolutely be distracting...&nbsp; cue a thousand Don Rickles routines.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7592898, member: 6919838"] To me though, this is conflating teo different tules snd then deciding to say "no" because of the rules. The help action in combat is *not* the same as "working together." So choosing to see the limitations of one as applying yo the other is, to me, a stretch. The help action in combat is just as achievable by distracting as it is by making an attack of your own. That's not just from rules as it is from practical sense. "You faint, distract the target or in some other way..." is clearly in both rules and normal language and common sense not requiring an attack to pull of helping the ally score a hit. So, to me, I dont pull in the "could attempt alone" into the help action because even on the most basic rules level they specifically reference distracting and a familiar can absolutely be distracting... cue a thousand Don Rickles routines. :-) [/QUOTE]

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