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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2700844" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>The exact wording of VoP simply states:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Without further modification, this would presumably allow the use of that pouch for any spell component. There is no further modification on what may be in the pouch listed.</p><p></p><p>The section on "Other Ramifications of Poverty" says:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>and goes on to mention the XP casting system.</p><p></p><p>"Other Ramifications of Poverty" means that they are contemplating what other (mundane) consequences follow from giving up money. The section here is not barring the PC from possessing spell components, just stating that if he has no money, he can't buy things, like food, clothing, and as we have been discussing, spell components.</p><p></p><p>And, like I said, I agree that a strict RAW analysis of VoP means that a Bard may not have an instrument or art supplies, a Wizard may not have a spellbook, and a Cleric may not have a Holy Symbol. It would further prevent anyspellcaster from using a spell with a focus or divine focus power. While incovenient for the bard (who may still be a poet or singer), its crippling to the Wizard (who would be unable to rememorize spells) and deadly to the Cleric (who couldn't turn a damn thing), and would rob lesser spellcasters of almost all of their spellcasting ability. Seriously-the logic against that reading is strongest with the Cleric- why would a divine being annoint a PC as an exalted being, and then rob him of some of his abilities that would most effectively show the favor the divine being has showered on the PC...Spells and Turning abilities. It would definitely make the Exalted Turning Feat completely useless.</p><p></p><p>Hence, I feel that that was in no way the intent of the feat, and so would permit the ownership of such items, even under VoP.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2700844, member: 19675"] The exact wording of VoP simply states: Without further modification, this would presumably allow the use of that pouch for any spell component. There is no further modification on what may be in the pouch listed. The section on "Other Ramifications of Poverty" says: and goes on to mention the XP casting system. "Other Ramifications of Poverty" means that they are contemplating what other (mundane) consequences follow from giving up money. The section here is not barring the PC from possessing spell components, just stating that if he has no money, he can't buy things, like food, clothing, and as we have been discussing, spell components. And, like I said, I agree that a strict RAW analysis of VoP means that a Bard may not have an instrument or art supplies, a Wizard may not have a spellbook, and a Cleric may not have a Holy Symbol. It would further prevent anyspellcaster from using a spell with a focus or divine focus power. While incovenient for the bard (who may still be a poet or singer), its crippling to the Wizard (who would be unable to rememorize spells) and deadly to the Cleric (who couldn't turn a damn thing), and would rob lesser spellcasters of almost all of their spellcasting ability. Seriously-the logic against that reading is strongest with the Cleric- why would a divine being annoint a PC as an exalted being, and then rob him of some of his abilities that would most effectively show the favor the divine being has showered on the PC...Spells and Turning abilities. It would definitely make the Exalted Turning Feat completely useless. Hence, I feel that that was in no way the intent of the feat, and so would permit the ownership of such items, even under VoP. [/QUOTE]
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