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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 2702641" data-attributes="member: 892">It might help to think of the &quot;VoP guy&quot; as someone who has their own, special, spell list.&nbsp; So paladins have different spells from clerics, and VoP clerics have different spells from non-VoP clerics.&nbsp; No one expects the paladin to resurrect anybody, and so it is not impossible that&nbsp; the VoP cleric would do different tasks than the non-VoP cleric would do.&nbsp; This might help with the cognitive dissonance you are feeling.&nbsp; VoP is restrictive.&nbsp; It also gives the character a ton of abilities.&nbsp; That is why it is a trade-off.I would not expect wizards to take VoP until they are high enough level to have Spell Mastery under their belt.&nbsp; As for why the FAQ backs me up on divine foci, look it up.&nbsp; It is a free download.&nbsp; I don't have the ability to cut and paste parts of a pdf.&nbsp; It basically says &quot;Yep.&nbsp; The VoP character is not meant to have divine foci, but you could house rule one in if you want.&quot;And I can piece together 11 exalted feats.&nbsp; They might not all be &quot;the awesome !!!11!1!!&quot; but it can be done.&nbsp; There are, for instance, more vows to take.In any case, there is no rule saying the VoP has to be taken at 1st level.&nbsp; History talks about people having careers as soldiers/lords/etc., and retiring to become hermits/monks.&nbsp; This vow could follow that idea.&nbsp; This would solve the &quot;Food!&quot; problem of a pre-5th level VoP guy, as well as the &quot;Scarcity&quot; problem of feats.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 2702641, member: 892"] It might help to think of the "VoP guy" as someone who has their own, special, spell list. So paladins have different spells from clerics, and VoP clerics have different spells from non-VoP clerics. No one expects the paladin to resurrect anybody, and so it is not impossible that the VoP cleric would do different tasks than the non-VoP cleric would do. This might help with the cognitive dissonance you are feeling. VoP is restrictive. It also gives the character a ton of abilities. That is why it is a trade-off. I would not expect wizards to take VoP until they are high enough level to have Spell Mastery under their belt. As for why the FAQ backs me up on divine foci, look it up. It is a free download. I don't have the ability to cut and paste parts of a pdf. It basically says "Yep. The VoP character is not meant to have divine foci, but you could house rule one in if you want." And I can piece together 11 exalted feats. They might not all be "the awesome !!!11!1!!" but it can be done. There are, for instance, more vows to take. In any case, there is no rule saying the VoP has to be taken at 1st level. History talks about people having careers as soldiers/lords/etc., and retiring to become hermits/monks. This vow could follow that idea. This would solve the "Food!" problem of a pre-5th level VoP guy, as well as the "Scarcity" problem of feats. [/QUOTE]

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