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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2708617" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>As some argue, by RAW, he cannot, because the basic spell component pouch doesn't contain any foci at all, including divine foci.</p><p></p><p>Unless you are saying that a sprig of mistletoe is a non-divine focus spell component for at least one Druid spell...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree 100%</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whoa! Whoa! Whoaaaaa! I'm not in the pro-RAW VoP camp! In fact, I'm one of the most ardent posters AGAINST using VoP RAW.</p><p></p><p>I feel that VoP RAW does not model what it seems to be trying to model- that is, an ascetic holy man. Why? Because if it is interpreted in such a way that DF's are disallowed, Clerics and Paladins (presumably the most holy of a deity's followers) find their basic holy powers annihilated, and become unable to perform many of the typical duties for such a personage.</p><p></p><p>Sir Reginald, A fallen Paladin, comes to Brother Lumen...</p><p></p><p>Sir R: "Oh most holy Brother Lumen, I have violated my vow to our god, and I must set things aright in order to resume my crusade against evil! Can you purify me, and restore me to my status?"</p><p></p><p>Br. Lumen, Regular Cleric: (casting <strong>Atonement</strong>) "Sir Reginald, arise and sin no more- continue to do thy good works in the name of the Shining One!"</p><p></p><p>Br. Lumen, Exalted VoP Cleric: (casting <strong>Slay Living</strong>) "Sir Reginald, you have failed to keep thy vow sacrosanct...would that I could purify thy soul for you have been a mighty and righteous blade in the divine hands of the Shining One. But as one of the most holy chosen of our shared faith, I have no choice but remove the ill-formed sketch of your personage from the beauteous and perfect painting of the gods! DIE, VILE SINNER!"</p><p></p><p>...simply because <strong>Atonement</strong> requires a divine focus, and <strong>Slay Living</strong> does not.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nor am I, not really, nor am I really concerned about the cost. I'm just saying that a VoP PC is to be more interested in things divine than in things martial, so they would gravitate to weapons that would require less training. Using a Crossbow effectively requires about the same amount of training as a sling, despite its cost. In contrast, an Axe requires a lot of training to use with any skill as a weapon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2708617, member: 19675"] As some argue, by RAW, he cannot, because the basic spell component pouch doesn't contain any foci at all, including divine foci. Unless you are saying that a sprig of mistletoe is a non-divine focus spell component for at least one Druid spell... I agree 100% Whoa! Whoa! Whoaaaaa! I'm not in the pro-RAW VoP camp! In fact, I'm one of the most ardent posters AGAINST using VoP RAW. I feel that VoP RAW does not model what it seems to be trying to model- that is, an ascetic holy man. Why? Because if it is interpreted in such a way that DF's are disallowed, Clerics and Paladins (presumably the most holy of a deity's followers) find their basic holy powers annihilated, and become unable to perform many of the typical duties for such a personage. Sir Reginald, A fallen Paladin, comes to Brother Lumen... Sir R: "Oh most holy Brother Lumen, I have violated my vow to our god, and I must set things aright in order to resume my crusade against evil! Can you purify me, and restore me to my status?" Br. Lumen, Regular Cleric: (casting [B]Atonement[/B]) "Sir Reginald, arise and sin no more- continue to do thy good works in the name of the Shining One!" Br. Lumen, Exalted VoP Cleric: (casting [B]Slay Living[/B]) "Sir Reginald, you have failed to keep thy vow sacrosanct...would that I could purify thy soul for you have been a mighty and righteous blade in the divine hands of the Shining One. But as one of the most holy chosen of our shared faith, I have no choice but remove the ill-formed sketch of your personage from the beauteous and perfect painting of the gods! DIE, VILE SINNER!" ...simply because [B]Atonement[/B] requires a divine focus, and [B]Slay Living[/B] does not. Nor am I, not really, nor am I really concerned about the cost. I'm just saying that a VoP PC is to be more interested in things divine than in things martial, so they would gravitate to weapons that would require less training. Using a Crossbow effectively requires about the same amount of training as a sling, despite its cost. In contrast, an Axe requires a lot of training to use with any skill as a weapon. [/QUOTE]
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