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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2708688" data-attributes="member: 19675">Fair enough...but the Saint template models ONLY someone like a Jean D'arc.&nbsp; The majority of saints and holy personages were not warriors in the martial sense.Thus, my point from the real world remains- used RAW, VoP does not model what it is supposed to model.There is not a single saint or holy personage I can name who 1) took a vow of poverty AND 2) lost power.Examples:Both Padre Pio and Saint Francis of Assisi took a vow of poverty.&nbsp; Both are universally depicted wearing a cross.&nbsp; Both remained members of the clergy and could and were expected to perform ALL the duties of a priest, including hearing confessions (the real world source from which Atonement was modeled).&nbsp; Both were allowed to own a book of prayers.Siddartha Gautama (Buddha) took a vow of poverty.&nbsp; Then he founded a religion.&nbsp; Presumably, despite his vow of poverty, he was not less powerful than those who followed him.Mahatma Ghandi took a vow of poverty.&nbsp; He was a fully practicing member of his faith.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2708688, member: 19675"] Fair enough...but the Saint template models ONLY someone like a Jean D'arc. The majority of saints and holy personages were not warriors in the martial sense. Thus, my point from the real world remains- used RAW, VoP does not model what it is supposed to model. There is not a single saint or holy personage I can name who 1) took a vow of poverty AND 2) lost power. Examples: Both Padre Pio and Saint Francis of Assisi took a vow of poverty. Both are universally depicted wearing a cross. Both remained members of the clergy and could and were expected to perform ALL the duties of a priest, including hearing confessions (the real world source from which [B]Atonement[/B] was modeled). Both were allowed to own a book of prayers. Siddartha Gautama (Buddha) took a vow of poverty. Then he founded a religion. Presumably, despite his vow of poverty, he was not less powerful than those who followed him. Mahatma Ghandi took a vow of poverty. He was a fully practicing member of his faith. [/QUOTE]

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