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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2719327" data-attributes="member: 19675">This is a bit of an oddity...after all, the VoP specifically allows the Ascetic to recieve the benefits of "a potion of cure serious wounds a friend gives (him)." (BoED p48).(And, lets be honest- that is clearly an example of the Ascetic using a magic item.)So, if he can use it on himself...he should be able to use it for another, especially since it is the buddy's potion being used for the buddy's well being.That was kinda my point.  The DM is basically not playing fair if he has the Ascetic's deity make the choice between losing his VoP-based abilities and his deity's direct demands.  (I'll even go so far as to say that this is even more the case when a VoP PC is sworn to an ideal or cause rather than a specific deity because a cause is non-sentient, and cannot make exceptions.)His choices become:1) Keep the Vow and lose his other abilities until he Atones (assuming he survives the encounter or his deity's wrath), or2) Break the Vow, do as his deity demands, and lose all of his VoP abilities, or3) Break the Vow, do as his deity demands, and keep his VoP abilities because breaking the Vow serves the greater purposes of the deity to whom he made the Vow.</blockquote>