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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nac_Mac_Feegle" data-source="post: 2730665" data-attributes="member: 32300">Thanx for the welcome <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I had a discussion about this last night with the guy who was GM when I ran my VoP Monk. In particular, I mentioned the Subject of the very expensive flower someone brought up. If you were to get some belly button fluff, and stick it on eBay, almost gauranteed someone will buy it. Anything can have value if someone is willing to buy it.Take a druid form a desert campain, the high level spell might require a flower found in that climate, not the one mentioned earlier, now the druid travels to temperate climes, and find a field of these flowers, and make a necklace from them, to him thay have no value except aesthetics (sp?) but to anyone else hes wearing a necklace worth 500,000 goldIts at this point that the rule of law falls down, who is to say what is valuable, what is not.To me a Vow of Poverty means you live of the land, and other peopels generosity, you take no part in the comforts afforded by wealth. You take what nature throws at you. If offered a bed for a night in a masion, you accept with good grace, for it has been given to you free of obligation, if all you can find for the night is a stable, then you accept that, you truely take what the world gives you, probably more in tune wiht natures whim in some respects than a druid.You find a diamond on the floor of a mine, you pick it up, not so you can sell it and benefit, but because someone else can benefit. As long as you take no rewards of wealth, you are maintaining the vow. Picking a flower and putting it in your hair is fully acceptable. It was on the ground, and now its in your hair, so what, you are not living a life of luxury just because you put a flower in your hair, and you still dont possess the flower, and just because some idiot would pay 50,000g for it, still doesst make it a valuable possession, infact once its picked form the gournd, its dying, unless kept fresh, it may well be useless as a spell component, so now its worthless. To the VoP its still a pretty flower and worth hanging onto.There are lots of considerations when using VoP, the most important is common sense. Water in a desert campaign is more valuable than gold, but your not going to deny a VoP character fomr carrying one days worth of water are you?I think VoP is a great idea, lets you mess around wiht the other players, the kind that always put greed first, you take your share (in gold and magic items) and give ti to good chruches, it literally kills them inside.As for remebering to take your stuff, you have some choices, we used to d20 roll an item between all those who could use it, so items I could use, I would roll on, and they would go into my pool of items for charity, if a PC wanted to "Donate" the gold value of what I would get for the item at a shop (half Price) to my cause, I would let him take the item, this stopped them getting all the magic items, and only giving me a cut of the final loot, which as you say, make them quite powerful.In my youth I used to play a lot of evil character, usually NE, but I have found more fun recently playing the good guy, in a way the good guy forces you to maximise your potential more than evil, becaue an evil character takes shortcuts, and trys to use force to get his way, and if your good character cant stand up to them, they get away with murder, and its also good to try and show those who havent grown up yet, that its not always about "ph4t l3wt".One last thing, for all those saying that a cleric cannot carry his holy symbol, but could carry a simple weapon, if the holy symbol is his focus for divine power over undead etc, isnt his holy symbol actually a weapon? It is a weapon of good over evil, you employ your gods power through this weapon to strike down evil, or to help those in need.If your going to rule that a wooden holy symbol compromises VoP, then your campaign isnt ready for VoP.Feegle Out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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