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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moon-Lancer" data-source="post: 2732658" data-attributes="member: 35798">"writer of the FAQ agrees with me."um.. the same guy who write the polymorph section in the faq? He inset a very good sage in my opinion (which is fallible), so his view on holy symbols and that exculding them is making for a more mature game dosent hol any water for me. A mature gamer can see through the vale and understand where inspiration from vop comes from. A mature gamer is one that can deal with, and understand the spirit of the text rather then the absurdities of reading JUST the raw. (raw is ok, but sometimes doesn’t work with boed as well as other books or topics)It’s important to understand what the raw is saying, but equally important to understand what the text means as well. Understanding game balance also comes into play. Cannot understand how any dm with any sense about them could say a druid can carry a crossbow with as many bolts as they want but can’t pick up a holly off a plant. Its non magical and is a focus, it has no value tied to wealthValue is a hard thing to judge. what’s worthless to one person is valuable to another. If something coasts no money to posses or find, how in the world can a dm justify that its breaks vop? Is breathing air breaking vop? It doesn’t say you can posses air particles to use them right? so i guess vop character suffocates when they take the vow in order to uphold it? Yet how can a dm with a straight face can say a leaf, something with no gold value, is thematically breaking your vow to not own equipment because its not listed in the things a vop character can own? Can the one own the dirt on their feat? Can they own their memories? Can they not own bodies? What about their soul? How About their dignity? What about a holly leaf or a peace of carved wood found and made in a forest? spells, souls and bodies and memories can be taken and owned by someone else in d&d, thus making them possessions. All in all though, The very idea of possessions is kind of absurd and is not in anyway proven to exist or not exist. How can one judge what can be owned or not? is a druid owning a holly leaf? Or his the leaf owning the druid? One could say holy symbols are owned by the gods, not the followers that are barrowing them. Is it the mature or immature dm that would slam a vop charicter because of his misguilded notion of possession and value, and say having dirt on ones self is ownership and breaks vop? What about a dm that says something with no value in terms of gold, and can be found in any forest, is a violation of an oath to own no monitary things of value and never to own or use things that are magical.Anyway I tend to think like an Indian Amarican. You cant posses another living thing … in this case holly. I draw the strict circle with vop and I do think it should be followed harshly but with cheap or fee holy symbols within the things a vop character can use. This is because any importants in terms of role-playing vop is lost without holy symbols (lets forget about their actual purpus in d&d for one moment.)I think I will say this again, although let the fires consume me, using raw with vop is a mistake. It takes more then understanding what the words in a vacuum mean to understand what vop is and how it should be played. They must be judged by intent and spirit as well, and cross referenced by an understanding of game balance.Good dms know that the rules don’t exist in a vacuum. They cant, and generally create problems if later down the road if one assumes this is true. The boed is a mature book becuse so much role playing is put into the balance of the game, and for someone who only sees the raw in boed isent looking at the bigger picture and is missing part of main point that it is mature book and the rules of how to understand how to use a supplemtn is slightly diffrent with boed, then lets say, one of the compleat booksIt takes body and mind to be a person, why would d&d be any different? I think it is the sage who is the one that is not mature in this case. Hello sage, you may be a great guy, but your not a very good sage in my opinion. polymorph and alter self? What were you thinking? (Referring to the new faq)</blockquote>

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