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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 9853198" data-attributes="member: 6716779">I think they have deliberately obscured things lije hard numbers. 80 million is just a PR number.  Hard numbers are things like D&D beyond accounts.  Active numbers those ponying up money are way lower. They were claiming at one point 15  million D&D beyond accounts. 1.5 million were active.  My main point earlier was the amount of players are probably smaller than sone people throwing around x10 and x100 multipliers.   Consider this. 1981-1991. 1E phb sold 1.5 million. Two boxed sets blood 1 million+. Another sold 600k2E phb was front loaded early release.  Expert set I forget the numbers.5E sold more than that combined but not drastically (X2 or 3 not X10+).  TSR split things up over multiple lines. Population is higher now as well.  So WotC has unified things but theyre not really that fair ahead core product to core product of peak TSR. They're run a lot better.   Difference is one product vs multiple and the internet. Not sure how much money beyond is making vs how much they paid (active players and active players paying money is sonething else).    5E theoretically has secured D&D next 30 odd years. WotCs greed could wreck that however. Eventually 5E will decline and not sure if beyond can be updated to 6E and inertia on Beyond could also be a thing. See what happens. A gard number of PHB sold woukd clear things up. Could be as low as 2 million perhaps I lean more towards 3-6 number myself (pre 5.5).</blockquote>

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