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Is Wraithstrike the wrong level?
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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3273303" data-attributes="member: 29014"><p>Uhhh, I think the consensus is that the Warlock's Eldritch Blast basically <em>is</em> an autohit if the Warlock is working at it (Halflings who pump Dex and take Point Blank or Weapon Focus or both, for instance), and a Wraithstrike gish will typically have a higher bonus to the attack than the Warlock by a substantial margin (higher BAB, enhancement bonus to weapon attack rolls, Arcane Strike). Doesn't mean it's overpowered, though, as it isn't very strong (and it also allows SR if you don't use Vitriolic Blast, which then allows Acid Resist). For what it's worth, I never for a moment considered Warlocks to be overpowered. The people who thought they were are like the people who thought Mystic Theurge was overpowered when they saw it on paper. For both Warlock and Mystic Theurge, I could tell they were perfectly balanced, if not a tad weak. For Divine Metamagic + Persistant, I could tell it was broken beyond belief. Same with Wraithstrike.</p><p></p><p>As for "exclusively fighting stuff with AC provided by armour and natural armour", first, they don't need to get <em>all</em> their AC from those places, since as long as they get a large enough amount of AC from those sources, they're screwed on the Wraithstrike. Second, if you take a look at the monster books, you'll see that very few creatures, apart from incorporeal ones, have a substantial Touch AC that is also substnatial compared to their total AC (Having a low AC that is all there for Touch doesn't matter--you don't even need Wraithstrike to kill that). Sure, some of them do, but the vast majority do not. That leaves NPCs with PC classes such as Monk, but if they're not using magic items that you can cut through with Wraithstrike, you'll hit those anyway. </p><p></p><p>The key point, however, is that just because a few things are immune to it doesn't mean it isn't completely broken. Imagine the Rogue's Sneak Attack instantly killed its target with no save, SR, etc. The fact that you can't Sneak Attack constructs, oozes, plants, or undead would not stop it from being broken (and the number of monsters that can't be Sneak Attacked is much higher than the number of monsters that aren't screwed when you Wraithstrike).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3273303, member: 29014"] Uhhh, I think the consensus is that the Warlock's Eldritch Blast basically [I]is[/I] an autohit if the Warlock is working at it (Halflings who pump Dex and take Point Blank or Weapon Focus or both, for instance), and a Wraithstrike gish will typically have a higher bonus to the attack than the Warlock by a substantial margin (higher BAB, enhancement bonus to weapon attack rolls, Arcane Strike). Doesn't mean it's overpowered, though, as it isn't very strong (and it also allows SR if you don't use Vitriolic Blast, which then allows Acid Resist). For what it's worth, I never for a moment considered Warlocks to be overpowered. The people who thought they were are like the people who thought Mystic Theurge was overpowered when they saw it on paper. For both Warlock and Mystic Theurge, I could tell they were perfectly balanced, if not a tad weak. For Divine Metamagic + Persistant, I could tell it was broken beyond belief. Same with Wraithstrike. As for "exclusively fighting stuff with AC provided by armour and natural armour", first, they don't need to get [I]all[/I] their AC from those places, since as long as they get a large enough amount of AC from those sources, they're screwed on the Wraithstrike. Second, if you take a look at the monster books, you'll see that very few creatures, apart from incorporeal ones, have a substantial Touch AC that is also substnatial compared to their total AC (Having a low AC that is all there for Touch doesn't matter--you don't even need Wraithstrike to kill that). Sure, some of them do, but the vast majority do not. That leaves NPCs with PC classes such as Monk, but if they're not using magic items that you can cut through with Wraithstrike, you'll hit those anyway. The key point, however, is that just because a few things are immune to it doesn't mean it isn't completely broken. Imagine the Rogue's Sneak Attack instantly killed its target with no save, SR, etc. The fact that you can't Sneak Attack constructs, oozes, plants, or undead would not stop it from being broken (and the number of monsters that can't be Sneak Attacked is much higher than the number of monsters that aren't screwed when you Wraithstrike). [/QUOTE]
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