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Is Wraithstrike the wrong level?
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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3273378" data-attributes="member: 29014"><p>Huh, your arguments about the Warlock are making no sense. Let me get this straight:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When the warlock (and to be clear, a Warlock who is trying to be good with Eldritch Blasts, not a Warlock who specialises in other invocations and has 10 Dex or something) shoots an Eldritch Blast, it is expected to hit on the overwhelming majority of cases. Please point me to someone other than you who doesn't agree with this if you don't agree, or explain why not with examples.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Huh? I don't understand why you would possibly bring that up. A Warlock that takes levels in Fighter for the BAB so they hit with the Eldritch Blast is being supremely idiotic because they lose out on Eldritch Blast damage by doing so at a rate of 2d6 damage for every +1 BAB. If you'd like to suggest that I'm somehow robbing the Warlock of its chance to shine by suggesting that it wouldn't multiclass into Fighter for the attack bonus boost, I think you're missing the point. Sure, a Warlock can multiclass, but the Warlock doesn't <em>want</em> to. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Huh? No it isn't. I'm trying to understand your reasoning here. I don't want to ascribe motives for such a statement, but unless you forgot that Eldritch Blast is only one hit, I don't see how you could possibly think that an Eldritch Blast will do more than a full attack that hits with all the attacks. In fact, your statement is provably false if you compare the damage on Eldritch Blast to the damage on a Power Attack Greatsword full attack at any level (in fact, it is lower than the damage of a <em>single</em> Greatsword attack at full Power Attack at any level).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you haven't looked carefully enough at the monsters, then. The increase for a large number of them is simply huge. Seriously, take a look. You will be surprised.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Dodge bonuses are few and far between (you may mean Dex bonus--that's the main source of AC that avoids Wraithstrike, that and deflection, possibly from a Ring of Protection or its ilk). Size bonus is negligible if you negate the rest--it is almost certainly no more than +2 (very very few things that matter are Diminutive or smaller). Moving away is a bit of a cop out option--that suggests that the only way to stop the Wraithstrike PC is to constantly flee, every round if necessary, to prevent a full attack. And at high levels, even this chicken strategy can be avoided with abilities that add Pounce, etc.</p><p></p><p>Frankly, despite your calls to everyone else that they need to play with Wraithstrike more at high levels, it is clear that you are the one who has not played with it at high levels based on some of the comments you make (and you never claimed you did, I know, so it isn't any dishonesty on your part, more of a pot calling the kettle black thing), or if you did, you didn't have anyone using it on a Power Attacking gish.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3273378, member: 29014"] Huh, your arguments about the Warlock are making no sense. Let me get this straight: When the warlock (and to be clear, a Warlock who is trying to be good with Eldritch Blasts, not a Warlock who specialises in other invocations and has 10 Dex or something) shoots an Eldritch Blast, it is expected to hit on the overwhelming majority of cases. Please point me to someone other than you who doesn't agree with this if you don't agree, or explain why not with examples. Huh? I don't understand why you would possibly bring that up. A Warlock that takes levels in Fighter for the BAB so they hit with the Eldritch Blast is being supremely idiotic because they lose out on Eldritch Blast damage by doing so at a rate of 2d6 damage for every +1 BAB. If you'd like to suggest that I'm somehow robbing the Warlock of its chance to shine by suggesting that it wouldn't multiclass into Fighter for the attack bonus boost, I think you're missing the point. Sure, a Warlock can multiclass, but the Warlock doesn't [I]want[/I] to. Huh? No it isn't. I'm trying to understand your reasoning here. I don't want to ascribe motives for such a statement, but unless you forgot that Eldritch Blast is only one hit, I don't see how you could possibly think that an Eldritch Blast will do more than a full attack that hits with all the attacks. In fact, your statement is provably false if you compare the damage on Eldritch Blast to the damage on a Power Attack Greatsword full attack at any level (in fact, it is lower than the damage of a [I]single[/I] Greatsword attack at full Power Attack at any level). I think you haven't looked carefully enough at the monsters, then. The increase for a large number of them is simply huge. Seriously, take a look. You will be surprised. Dodge bonuses are few and far between (you may mean Dex bonus--that's the main source of AC that avoids Wraithstrike, that and deflection, possibly from a Ring of Protection or its ilk). Size bonus is negligible if you negate the rest--it is almost certainly no more than +2 (very very few things that matter are Diminutive or smaller). Moving away is a bit of a cop out option--that suggests that the only way to stop the Wraithstrike PC is to constantly flee, every round if necessary, to prevent a full attack. And at high levels, even this chicken strategy can be avoided with abilities that add Pounce, etc. Frankly, despite your calls to everyone else that they need to play with Wraithstrike more at high levels, it is clear that you are the one who has not played with it at high levels based on some of the comments you make (and you never claimed you did, I know, so it isn't any dishonesty on your part, more of a pot calling the kettle black thing), or if you did, you didn't have anyone using it on a Power Attacking gish. [/QUOTE]
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