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<blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 3274307" data-attributes="member: 18680">This is a good example, actually.&nbsp; I had forgotten about Polymorph but the syngergy with Polymorph and Wraithstrike is high.&nbsp; I think I am convinced that the spell should affect a single attack.&nbsp; It could stay a swift action.&nbsp; At the level it is obtained (3rd for wizards, 4th for Sorcerers) it should do what it is intended to do (allow these classes to land a melee attack in a desperate situation) and applies to all attacks from these classes until 11th level (1st iterative attack for these classes).&nbsp; The purpose of the spell is preserved.&nbsp; But then it would not be easy to combine with a series of iterative attacks (see Elder Basilisk's example for a Fighter/mage) or Polymorphing into a form with many attacks (as above).&nbsp; It would also make me less worried about migration to other spell lists (instead, i would encourage adding this version of wrathstrike to the Paladin and Ranger -- the latter getting a ranged version).&nbsp; How to do this is less obvious.&nbsp; 1] If it says a swift action and the spell text stays the same then it can be used to help do amazing things with charges.&nbsp; But that is probably not gamebreaking.&nbsp; 2] If it costs a move action to cast then a 6th level version can be Quickened; this is okay although rods of quicken could be an issue.&nbsp; But 6th level spells are strong and I am not as worried about the fighter/mage doing something amazing with a combination of spending many feats and burning pinnacle spell slots.&nbsp; It might make the Bladesinger class fairly appealing, however, but (again) that is hardly upsetting to me (if a plyer wants to cripple himself with levels of Bladesinger for flavor, it is cool that he gets a decent uptick as a result).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Votan, post: 3274307, member: 18680"] This is a good example, actually. I had forgotten about Polymorph but the syngergy with Polymorph and Wraithstrike is high. I think I am convinced that the spell should affect a single attack. It could stay a swift action. At the level it is obtained (3rd for wizards, 4th for Sorcerers) it should do what it is intended to do (allow these classes to land a melee attack in a desperate situation) and applies to all attacks from these classes until 11th level (1st iterative attack for these classes). The [B]purpose[/B] of the spell is preserved. But then it would not be easy to combine with a series of iterative attacks (see Elder Basilisk's example for a Fighter/mage) or Polymorphing into a form with many attacks (as above). It would also make me less worried about migration to other spell lists (instead, i would encourage adding this version of wrathstrike to the Paladin and Ranger -- the latter getting a ranged version). How to do this is less obvious. 1] If it says a swift action and the spell text stays the same then it can be used to help do amazing things with charges. But that is probably not gamebreaking. 2] If it costs a move action to cast then a 6th level version can be Quickened; this is okay although rods of quicken could be an issue. But 6th level spells are strong and I am not as worried about the fighter/mage doing something amazing with a combination of spending many feats and burning pinnacle spell slots. It might make the Bladesinger class fairly appealing, however, but (again) that is hardly upsetting to me (if a plyer wants to cripple himself with levels of Bladesinger for flavor, it is cool that he gets a decent uptick as a result). [/QUOTE]

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