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Message: <blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 3275852" data-attributes="member: 9002">powergamers?You simply are stating things here. Many people have said it is not working out "just fine" in fact it was used once or twice and immediately thereafter banned. You also claim it needs to be optimized somehow.  That's simply not true.  You just need a PC with power attack and 3/4 BAB.  More is better, but not required.  The horrible thing about Wraithstrike is that you simply don't need to optimize it to make it amazingly powerful.Example:Any melee-capable monster capable of casting 2nd level spells (dragon, etc.) + wraithstrike = Many dead PC's, almost guaranteed.  Just add spell, that's it. Nothing more.A PC with power attack and this spell with 3/4 BAB is instantly ferocious, often able to kill equal level CR's in one round or two.  (thus defense is, well, not as critical)A wizard with polymorph (pick any melee form) and this spell is brutal (see above example).These are completely unoptimized builds.  They simply stirred in Wraithstrike and got really gnarly.A build that actually pays attention to this spell, even half-heartedly, and thus maximizes (for example) number of attacks, gets really gross.  Build a two-weapon using gish with oversized weapons and power atack (lots of negatives "to hit" which don't matter pretty much), and cast Wraithstrike as often as possible.  Really basic build, really nasty resuts.I don't see how wraithstrike is NOT creating a huge jump in power even when PC's just use it casually.  It's just a 2nd level spell.  That's a pretty low resource for such an effect.Even something as dumb as alter self (trog form) grants +6 nat. AC allowing a gish or wizzie to handle 1-2 rounds of combat.  Trog has multiattack claw/claw/bite, then stir in weapon attacks, etc.  All hit, etc.  This is all really basic low level stuff.  Once you hit level 8+, a half-optimized wraithstrike user will be intimidating.  A competently optimized wraithstriker will be boring; way too powerful.</blockquote>

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