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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3277866" data-attributes="member: 2525">Nothing standard about a Gish.  It's a very specific focus, and not it's own character class even.Right, a second level spell that is effective only at 10th level and above and only for Gish's who commonly fight things with a high AC that they otherwise would not be hitting as often.  That doesn't sound common.I really do not think it is.  It's popular on board to discuss, because it's an interesting speciality.  But generally speaking, it's fairly rare.We are talking about around 10 responses to my 1 response.  Sorry if I miss something you say...it's hard to keep up.To answer your qestion, yes we have, and we didn't find it very compelling.  However, we don't tend to play high level games.  I am open to the possibility it starts to break at high levels, if you build a character around the concept.Well, our experiences so far are different, but again our games didn't go past 12th level (yet).  Yeah I know...6 straight years of 3.X, and still nothing above level 12.It really doesn't seem very simple to me.  It seems fairly complex.  You need to multiclass as a Gish, and you probably use a prestige class from a relatively new book like Complete Mage, and you take a relatively unusual feat like arcane strike, and you have a high BAB and HPs and AC while also having enough spell slots to make use of this and be able to cast while in armor or have other protection.  That doesn't seem simple to me.  It seems a heck of a lot more complex than a raging barbarian with a two-handed greataxe and a huge strength and power attack.  THAT is simple and powerful.</blockquote>

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