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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3280005" data-attributes="member: 2525">I think using Alter Self or Polymorph is fine.  However, I do not think using them in a manner which is barred by the current rules, or which goes against the vast majority of DMs opinions as represented in the many heated debates on this board, is not a good way to analyze this spell.For example, the current rules make your magic items meld into your body for these spells.  That should be how it is evaluated.In addition, threads on alter self are very heated in respect to what you can change into, and whether players should be allowed to flip through all the monster source books and make a list from that to change into, or whether their character has to have encountered the creature before or whether the creature has to be a common one.  I think it's fair to default the way most DMs seem to allow it, which means no obscure twinked out monster that just happens to have the highest natural armor in the book (like Tren, from Savage Species and a web update, which have a +8) or Asabi for burrowing and high base speed (Movement: 50’ Ground; 20’ Burrow, from Monsters of Faerun).  Just your run of the mill normal MMI creatures that characters typically encounter by the level they are casting at.I think core + complete books is fine.  I think spell compendium and campaign books and some of the more obscure specialty books isn't.  Particularly with spell compendium, that stuff is taken on a case by case basis by most DMs, and shouldn't be part of a discussion of what is typical and common.  The gist of my point is we should aim for your typical character and game, and not your specialty character or game.  If the point you guys are trying to make is that wraithstrike is EASY to abuse (and that does seem to be the point), then you should be using sources, and interpretations of rules, that are typical and common.</blockquote>

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