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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3280287" data-attributes="member: 2525">If you are of a level to have commonly fought a torglodyte, then fine.I gave my reasons why.&nbsp; You asked me what sources I think are fair.&nbsp; Now you are arguing about it?&nbsp; Why ask if you had no interest in the answer?No it doesn't&nbsp; I am aiming for the typical game.&nbsp; From my experience, most games have core and the complete books, and not a whole lot else.&nbsp; So that is what I aimed for.&nbsp; You want to argue something is typical, make the argument.&nbsp; But &quot;anything I can think of&quot; isn't typical, and I think my default was fair.&nbsp; What is so unfair about it?I didn't say it's overpowered.&nbsp; I said lets discuss it's power level for a typical game.&nbsp; ANYTHING can be overpowered when twinked to perfection.&nbsp; But lets focus on whether the typical DM should ban this spell in a common game.&nbsp; If you want me to admit that there are scenarios where wraithstrike is overpowered, I long ago granted that fact.&nbsp; But there are scenarios where magic missle is overpowered, and I don't hear you clamoring for that spell to be banned.&nbsp; So lets just focus on the most useful thing - typical games.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3280287, member: 2525"] If you are of a level to have commonly fought a torglodyte, then fine. I gave my reasons why. You asked me what sources I think are fair. Now you are arguing about it? Why ask if you had no interest in the answer? No it doesn't I am aiming for the typical game. From my experience, most games have core and the complete books, and not a whole lot else. So that is what I aimed for. You want to argue something is typical, make the argument. But "anything I can think of" isn't typical, and I think my default was fair. What is so unfair about it? I didn't say it's overpowered. I said lets discuss it's power level for a typical game. ANYTHING can be overpowered when twinked to perfection. But lets focus on whether the typical DM should ban this spell in a common game. If you want me to admit that there are scenarios where wraithstrike is overpowered, I long ago granted that fact. But there are scenarios where magic missle is overpowered, and I don't hear you clamoring for that spell to be banned. So lets just focus on the most useful thing - typical games. [/QUOTE]

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