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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 3281895" data-attributes="member: 762">As I've said a few times 8th level is not a big problem, the spell is good but not excessive at that level - it just gets better later.The build I originally posted was a 10th level build. To make it "core compliant" simply add one level of wizard and use eldritch knight instead of knight phantom (since we're allowing complete books use 1 level of spellsword) - so ftr 1/wiz 6/spellsword 1/EK 2. Now as I've stated repeatedly by 10th level the build only starts to get big - really it gets big by 14th level (3 attacks) - but let's look at a 10th level example:fighter/mage (18 STR with +2 greatsword: hasted and with blink up (these are spells any fighter mage will want up if he can during the fight regardless of wraithstrike):fighter mage uses wraithstrike and arcane strikes a 4th level spell:His to hit +19/+19/+14 full power attack to hit +12/+12/+7Each attack does 2d6 +6 +2 +14 +4d4 (at 10th level this is higher with each level)Going against AC 10: (the vast majority of monsters and opponents at this level since no dex applies to AC in addition to it being a touch attack)Assuming full attack:  avg damage is 37 1st 2 attacks 95% to hit so damage (not counting criticals which can be a significant factor): 743rd attack: 33total damage: 107 Now that’s a 10th level example where it’s very good but not outrageous.lets upgrade to a 14th level example  (20 STR with +4 greatsword, hasted and blink up):to hit +25/+25/+20/+15 full power attack to hit +14/+14/+9/+4against AC 10:1st 2 attacks: 47.5 avg each – 95 total3rd attack  47.5 average4th attack :35 averagetotal: 177against AC 15 (very few opponents will have this high a touch AC with no Dex mod)1st 2 attacks: 47.5 each – 95 total3rd attack : 354th attack:  22total: 152 (against one of the higher likely touch AC’s barring special circumstances)can’t 100% guarantee the math but it’s close. (edited for revised figures)</blockquote>

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