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<blockquote data-quote="Iku Rex" data-source="post: 3308264" data-attributes="member: 752"><p>Where does it say that ghosts get to use their Str with a ghost touch weapon? In order to attack the ghost must manifest and become incorporeal. If so, <em>"<em>t has no Strength score, so its Dexterity modifier applies to both its melee attacks and its ranged attacks."</em> This is not contradicted in the ghost description as far as I can see. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>If it <em>does</em> use it's Str the situation is somewhat similar to wraithstrike.<em> "An incorporeal creature’s attacks pass through (ignore) natural armor, armor, and shields, although deflection bonuses and force effects (such as mage armor) work normally against it."</em> Nowhere in the ghost touch ability description does it say this rule doesn't apply for ghost touch weapons. So, this would <em>support</em> applying Str damage and Power Attack with wraithstrike.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>If you rule that ghosts <em>don't </em>bypass armor and natural armor with a ghost touch weapon it's no longer a meaningful precedent, since the weapon is 100% material during the attack. The whole point was that wraithstrike makes the weapon "ghostly and nearly transparent". </em></p><p><em>Blade of pain and fear (SC), ice axe (SC) and mood blade (SC) use the same wording. They're not all immaterial, but all are <em>spell effects</em>. The wraithstrike damage is not from a spell effect. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>And surely any precedent here would be this: If a character's Strength modifier does not apply, <em>the spell description will say so.</em> </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Bah. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iku Rex, post: 3308264, member: 752"] Where does it say that ghosts get to use their Str with a ghost touch weapon? In order to attack the ghost must manifest and become incorporeal. If so, [I]"[i]t has no Strength score, so its Dexterity modifier applies to both its melee attacks and its ranged attacks."[/I] This is not contradicted in the ghost description as far as I can see. If it [I]does[/I] use it's Str the situation is somewhat similar to wraithstrike.[I] "An incorporeal creature’s attacks pass through (ignore) natural armor, armor, and shields, although deflection bonuses and force effects (such as mage armor) work normally against it."[/I] Nowhere in the ghost touch ability description does it say this rule doesn't apply for ghost touch weapons. So, this would [I]support[/I] applying Str damage and Power Attack with wraithstrike. If you rule that ghosts [I]don't [/I]bypass armor and natural armor with a ghost touch weapon it's no longer a meaningful precedent, since the weapon is 100% material during the attack. The whole point was that wraithstrike makes the weapon "ghostly and nearly transparent". Blade of pain and fear (SC), ice axe (SC) and mood blade (SC) use the same wording. They're not all immaterial, but all are [I]spell effects[/I]. The wraithstrike damage is not from a spell effect. And surely any precedent here would be this: If a character's Strength modifier does not apply, [I]the spell description will say so.[/I] Bah. :)[/I] [/QUOTE]
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