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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tequila Sunrise" data-source="post: 5932022" data-attributes="member: 40398">Functionally the two are almost identical for most gamers. Most gamers seem to avoid penalties like the plague in favor of a more sure tactic.But to me, "No you just can't" is horribly video-gamist while "Yes but at a penalty" is part of why I don't only play Diablo. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Defender marks are awesome because I can, and do, get to provoke them fairly often. Sometimes provoking is the fun or smart or last desperate thing I can do.3e maneuvers are somewhat less interesting due to the heavy penalties and AoOs involved, but occasionally they do come in handy. Up lycanthrope creek without a silver weapon? Grapple! And hope somebody knows the rules...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />And just to throw in another example, "No you can't use an edged weapon!" is horribly immersion breaking. Really? What's to stop me from picking up a sword and swinging it? The invisible hand of the DM? Whereas "You can use an edged weapon, but at a penalty due to lack of training and oh you'll lose access to your spells because you've broken a holy vow" is almost identical functionally but much more reasonable.</blockquote>

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