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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 2853320" data-attributes="member: 7240">No. It's not. Look at oral tradition storytelling. Does that look passive to you? If you want to argue that story=19th and 20th century novel, sure. But these things are subsets of story.I agree. It's a semantic problem. Your definition of story is "thing that limits the free will of PCs by predetermining events and outcomes." This definition of story is unhelpful in that it is neither the definition of story in contemporary popular or academic discourse, nor is it the definition in the, albeit anemic and problematic field of RPG theory.But think about all the other instances where story doesn't fit that definition. Again, you are substituting "modern novel" in place of "story" to come up with this.No. You have decided to set up what is known as "false dichotemy" and are achieving this objective by radically circumscribing the definition of one of the words you are placing in opposition to the other. If you want to redefine "story" as "a passive experience analogous to reading a book," I suppose you could make that argument. But what would be the point? That doesn't fit with any working definition of story in the popular or the academic sphere. So what good is it?My reason for participating in this thread is to explode this false dichotemy; for some reason, you want to save it. You have yet to convince me that you are not doing the latter.But this is just a false dichotemy you have constructed in order to save a definition of story that doesn't pass muster. Instead of working on saving your peculiar definition of story, why not adopt a broader definition of story and look at ways that "game" and "story" are mutually enhancing?But that's because you've redefined story, not because the statement you are making would be true for people who are working with some more common definition of story.</blockquote>

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