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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 3579227" data-attributes="member: 151">Dude.&nbsp; I would TOTALLY kill Hans Gruber.&nbsp; What I meant was that I wouldn't kill or even attempt to use that kind of violence to resolve a conflict unless there was no other way, the same way McClain is forced to (and as a police officer, he gets a bit of a pass, anyhow).&nbsp; But McClain uses the force necessary to the task at hand.&nbsp; He wouldn't use the same level of violence if he didn't have to...we have mores, rules and laws to prevent exactly that.&nbsp; What I wouldn't do is use that same level of violence if, for example, Microsoft shipped me a defective product.&nbsp; That, and I don't ever reasonably expect to use that level of violence BECAUSE we've reached that pinnacle you've mentioned.&nbsp; I can go through my entire life without owning or holding a firearm or personal weapon....and not be considered odd for doing so.That said, I fully agree we need those 'rough men who stand ready'.&nbsp; The 'Carthage' lecture in Starship Troopers comes to mind (from the book, at least).&nbsp; And, as often as not, the PCs are those rough men, marching off to do what the Duke's men or the townsfolk or the local church cannot.Or, as one of my players is often want to say: &quot;Them orcs ain't gonna kill themselves.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 3579227, member: 151"] Dude. I would TOTALLY kill Hans Gruber. What I meant was that I wouldn't kill or even attempt to use that kind of violence to resolve a conflict unless there was no other way, the same way McClain is forced to (and as a police officer, he gets a bit of a pass, anyhow). But McClain uses the force necessary to the task at hand. He wouldn't use the same level of violence if he didn't have to...we have mores, rules and laws to prevent exactly that. What I wouldn't do is use that same level of violence if, for example, Microsoft shipped me a defective product. That, and I don't ever reasonably expect to use that level of violence BECAUSE we've reached that pinnacle you've mentioned. I can go through my entire life without owning or holding a firearm or personal weapon....and not be considered odd for doing so. That said, I fully agree we need those 'rough men who stand ready'. The 'Carthage' lecture in Starship Troopers comes to mind (from the book, at least). And, as often as not, the PCs are those rough men, marching off to do what the Duke's men or the townsfolk or the local church cannot. Or, as one of my players is often want to say: "[i]Them orcs ain't gonna kill themselves.[/i]" [/QUOTE]

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