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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SilanthosKB" data-source="post: 6910271" data-attributes="member: 6861002"><p>well that is part of the problem. We have a tough DM and very by the rules. We did detect noise from outside the wall and went to see what it was. But do to the walls and such we didn't detect them till we were just at the gate house. So really I wondering what they are thinking when they build these encounters.  There is no way 5 second level party should even come close the facing that type of CR encounter. I understand making it challenging but that was like taking first level character against and adult red dragon. There wasn't even a chance to survive and run away when they give the Orc the ability to double move and attack.</p></blockquote><p></p>