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<blockquote data-quote="n00bdragon" data-source="post: 6467194" data-attributes="member: 6689371"><p>The most complete dissection I've ever seen anyone do of 3e and 3.5 was a very long running topic on another forum. It was purged a long long time ago but I did save a copy of it with minor edits for spelling, grammar, and coherence and chapterized it for readability as it's more a series of extended rants about specific topics. You can find the full thing <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B88FrTDVwCNXSXhvWS1kR3Zyb3c/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank">here</a> (warning: lots of uncensored profanity).</p><p></p><p>To break it down in a nutshell the d20 system that really collapses under its own weight. There's simply too many rules for too many things. 1e and 2e started out with a basic system and then cobbled on a bunch of random unrelated mechanics born from various house rules and half baked solutions to common problems. It held together because the various subsystems didn't interact with or contradict each other much. d20 took those systems and instead of throwing them out completely and building something new and coherent decided to build on top of and around them and there clearly wasn't much consideration as to whether the final product was really a good game system that achieved the overall goals it wanted to. You can't really blame them. At the time the idea of an RPG with a unified rolling mechanic like the d20 was pretty novel by itself. That's just where game design was at.</p><p></p><p>Also, lest you think I'm being a biased fanboy there was another rant about 4e (much longer and even more profanity) that you can read <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B88FrTDVwCNXaHI4aUMwVzN4SWs/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank">here</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="n00bdragon, post: 6467194, member: 6689371"] The most complete dissection I've ever seen anyone do of 3e and 3.5 was a very long running topic on another forum. It was purged a long long time ago but I did save a copy of it with minor edits for spelling, grammar, and coherence and chapterized it for readability as it's more a series of extended rants about specific topics. You can find the full thing [URL="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B88FrTDVwCNXSXhvWS1kR3Zyb3c/view?usp=sharing"]here[/URL] (warning: lots of uncensored profanity). To break it down in a nutshell the d20 system that really collapses under its own weight. There's simply too many rules for too many things. 1e and 2e started out with a basic system and then cobbled on a bunch of random unrelated mechanics born from various house rules and half baked solutions to common problems. It held together because the various subsystems didn't interact with or contradict each other much. d20 took those systems and instead of throwing them out completely and building something new and coherent decided to build on top of and around them and there clearly wasn't much consideration as to whether the final product was really a good game system that achieved the overall goals it wanted to. You can't really blame them. At the time the idea of an RPG with a unified rolling mechanic like the d20 was pretty novel by itself. That's just where game design was at. Also, lest you think I'm being a biased fanboy there was another rant about 4e (much longer and even more profanity) that you can read [URL="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B88FrTDVwCNXaHI4aUMwVzN4SWs/view?usp=sharing"]here[/URL]. [/QUOTE]
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